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English => Feature requests => Topic started by: FreeToGo on September 15, 2009, 04:32:03 PM
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Is there any chance to add an option called "Minimized To Tray Icon When Closed" so that amule could understand that even though I hit close button, I actually mean minimized rather than quit.
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The function already exist. It's called "Minimize" and is the second one left of the close button.
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That's pretty much my take on it.
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The function already exist. It's called "Minimize" and is the second one left of the close button.
While technically you're right, this is not what this guy is talking about. Did you used, for example Skype? It can be minimized, in which case you see minimized icon on taskbar, or closed, when there's no icon on task bar, but there's one on tray.
There's lot of application behave this way, on Mac this is expected behavior.
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Closed means closed.
We've had this conversation one fucking million times, people. Closed means closed.
If we consider making this change for Mac (by default, fuck options if they want their own behaviour) as for their own guidelines, then I might agree. Other platforms, no.
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There's lot of application behave this way
Yeah, and I hate every single one of them. You have to "close" it, and then right click the tray icon, select "Close", answer a few confirmation dialogs (how can anybody want to close such a great app, hard to imagine, really) and then it's finally closed. Until reboot, when these apps usually restart so they are "ready at once for you". Fucking intrusive I call that. >:(
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Closed means closed.
As you may see, some people distinguish between "minimized" and "minimized to tray".
We've had this conversation one fucking million times, people. Closed means closed.
I know.
If we consider making this change for Mac <> as for their own guidelines, then I might agree
Just used Mac as example.
Yeah, and I hate every single one of them
Some people love it, some hate it, but this behavior is not uncommon, that's my point.
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It's not uncommon to crash or have bugs either, but that won't convince me to have more of those.
Or in a less radical example, it's not uncommon to dumb down interfaces to the point of hurting usability, but that won't convince me it's a good idea.
Or while we're at it, it's not uncommon to try and accommodate everyone's little UI preferences while annoying the hell out of other users, but that won't convince me it's a good idea.
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Or in a less radical example, it's not uncommon to dumb down interfaces to the point of hurting usability, but that won't convince me it's a good idea.
Well, that's too bad. Numerous studies show, that less choices user met, they (users) are happier to use the program/device/system. You should read some of Joel Spolsky's essays.
it's not uncommon to try and accommodate everyone's little UI preferences while annoying the hell out of other users,
Yea, but this generally come when previous point is not considered, see Microsoft Office for real world example.
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Numerous studies show, that less choices user met, they (users) are happier to use the program/device/system.
Like this TV remote control, huh? The Macintosh among the remote controls. ;)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21Y8i9aX-VL._SL500_AA240_.jpg)
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I like this one better.
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/10/1_remotepic3.jpg)
On the subject of choices, lfroen, I'm all for the more the merrier, as long as defaults are coherent and options are well hidden in a place called "PREFERENCES".
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Is it possible with wx to add a fourth icon to the top of the window next to minimize, maximize and close?
Apart from that: I believe there's an option "Minimize to tray" in the preferences. It's not exactly the same (you click on the minimize button instead of the close button), but a reasonable compromise. I always activated this function when using aMule.
BTW: I actually find the Mac OS X interface rather distracting and with too many options. But then my desktop consists of a black screen (no panel or menus) and keyboard short cuts for full screen applications and terminals. And I'm as old fashioned as to have an actual wall clock for time keeping and a mobile phone which does nothing except calling and sms.
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Is it possible with wx to add a fourth icon to the top of the window next to minimize, maximize and close?
Now that's something even I would be against of, if it was possible (I strongly hope it isn't).
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And I'm as old fashioned as to have an actual wall clock for time keeping and a mobile phone which does nothing except calling and sms.
I believed you up to that point.
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Actually, I want something like this instead.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2110
Also, my understanding in the meaning of "close" is very similar to that of "lfroen". No matter it is under M$ or Mac or Linux , to me "Close" means "Minimize to tray on close" while "Minimize" means "Minimize to the taskbar". Admittedly, different people spell the same word with different meaning. It could be due to generation gap, cultural difference, geographical difference or whatsoever reasons.
Irrespective of what the literal meaning of "close" should mean, the default meaning of "Close" in amule is obviously different from skype, deluge, transmissionBT and etc. What I am suggesting is that is there any chance that amule could have an option in "preference" menu so that the meaning of "Close" could be adjusted in a way to be more in line with what individual users themselves are used to think.
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And I'm as old fashioned as to have an actual wall clock for time keeping and a mobile phone which does nothing except calling and sms.
I believed you up to that point.
OT: It's a Nokia 1208, which I bought exactly for this reason. OK, it has a clock (which I use when on the go), a calender, reminders and a flashlight, too. But it is still very, very sane compared to all the rest out there. And It's just that I have a wall clock in every room. I still know how to read an anolog clock fast enough to see the time just by looking up for a short moment. :P
My desktop on the other hand is openbox with shortcuts for urxvt (terminal), gmrun (application starter) and opera. There's incidentally no tray for tray icons either.
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Just a note that it would be necessary to distingush between "Tray Icon Enabled" or not.
If you close (not close!) the application and the icon is disabled you can't minimize the application to the tray, because it isn't in the tray. ::)
Therefore there would be two different minimizing behaviours depending on the tray icon being enabled. This behaviour would look weird - wouldn't it?
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Well, I'd agree you could simplify the settings and minimize to tray icon if it is enabled. But I'm sure someone will stand up and protest he can't have that...
If you close (not close!) the application
Huh?
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If you close (not close!) the application
Huh?
I mean click the close button, but minimize instead.
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If you close (not close!) the application
Huh?
Change the meaning of the [ x ] (close) button from "exit the application" to "close main window of application". Semantically this would be the correct behaviour. GUI applications without tray icon are right to exit when their main window is closed.
However, I wouldn't do this change without a prefs option defaulting to the old (exit) behaviour.
Therefore there would be two different minimizing behaviours depending on the tray icon being enabled. This behaviour would look weird - wouldn't it?
It's also easy to enforce "Tray Icon Enabled" if [ x ] == "Minimize to tray".
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It's also easy to enforce "Tray Icon Enabled" if [ x ] == "Minimize to tray".
I agree. How about adding an Option "Send to Tray on closing" that would be enabled only if "Enable Try Icon" is checked. Just like "Minimize to Tray Icon" behaves currently. So the user could only check that option if there is actually a tray icon. ::)
Here's a screenshot for visual aid: aMule Preferences (http://www.softpedia.com/screenshots/aMule_4.png).
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We've had this conversation one fucking million times, people. Closed means closed.
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It's not only common behaviour for MAC.
Look at Pidgin for example. If you close the main window the application is still running and can be reached through the tray bar icon, if it is enabled.
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Good for them!
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There's too many crappy apps, too many people used to them, making too many problems.
Can't you see this makes a lot of confusion.
This is the world we live in, and these are the apps we're given.
Fix or ditch them and let's start trying, to make it a place worth living in. ;)
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We've had this conversation one fucking million times, people. Closed means closed.
This, in a nutshell, why GUI of every single "cross-platform" application I saw, sucks big time. No, Kry, "closed" doesn't mean "exited". It mean closed. Whether closed == exited depends on platform.
You may look at GIMP for better example - excellent application which crappy look on all platforms, except Linux where crappy GUI is a norm.
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You seem to have missed half the conversation, but then again why does that not surprise me.