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English => Feature requests => Topic started by: m2kio on March 18, 2005, 05:55:22 PM

Title: Client Details
Post by: m2kio on March 18, 2005, 05:55:22 PM
not really a feature request...

in the client details popup window i feel that "upload" and "download" are interchanged. this regularly confuses me. i believe general semantics is that i "download" from others and "upload" to others. This is also as it is viewed at at other places in amule. in the client details popup this is reversed.

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Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: volpol on March 21, 2005, 11:23:55 PM
it is not really reversed. you see some client's details, not your own client. thus "uploaded" means how much that client uploaded to you and "downloaded" means how much you downloaded from that client.
Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: skolnick on March 22, 2005, 02:03:10 AM
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Originally posted by volpol
it is not really reversed. you see some client's details, not your own client. thus "uploaded" means how much that client uploaded to you and "downloaded" means how much you downloaded from that client.
I think you mean "how much the client downloaded from you" instead of "how much you downloaded from that client" else, you're saying the same twice, and the numbers should be the same :P

Regards.
Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: m2kio on March 22, 2005, 12:00:15 PM
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Originally posted by volpol
it is not really reversed. you see some client's details, not your own client. thus "uploaded" means how much that client uploaded to you and "downloaded" means how much you downloaded from that client.

thus, the direction can actually never be reversed. just pick the word you prefer and adjust your point of view accordingly. ;)

fact is, it is confusing me this way. it would be easier to always keep the same point of view (mine) than to change it at certain places for whatever reason.

both is correct, but one way is easier to catch. just like instructions for use, where you should note all steps in the right sequence and not sometimes reversed, using the word "after" or so.

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Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: thedude0001 on March 22, 2005, 08:20:39 PM
I absolutely support your point here, m2kio, this is just plain irritating. IIRC it is the same in emule, but there is no need to copy bad habits from your parents...
Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: Xaignar on March 22, 2005, 08:43:22 PM
As said, the problem is that Uploaded/Downloaded can be read to be from either the POV of the local or the remote client. Do you have any suggestions as how to phrase the label so that it is more apprent what is what? Or would switching the labels be enough?
Title: what comes up, must come down
Post by: m2kio on March 22, 2005, 10:01:31 PM
just revert "up" and "down", i think.

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btw: a 2nd line "Currently uploading" -- erm, then probably "Currently downloading" -- for the other direction could be added.
Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: Xaignar on March 22, 2005, 10:10:18 PM
"Currently Downloading" should probably be "Requested File".
Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: Kry on March 22, 2005, 10:16:45 PM
I don't agree reversing it.... it's done that way on eMule and every aMule, swapping them will only add more confussion now.
Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: Xaignar on March 22, 2005, 10:23:13 PM
By swapping it, we will be matching the actual upload-queue. Anyway, this is the result, which also adds some cleanups to the dialog.

EDIT: Forgot to note that I had forgotten to swap upload/download rate on that pic. I was to lazy to make another screenshot.
Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: Kry on March 22, 2005, 10:42:30 PM
Do you realize we can't know what you did to the values without knowing them?
Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: Xaignar on March 22, 2005, 10:49:02 PM
Do you realize that you could just read the thread and easily guess exactly what I did? :P
Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: m2kio on March 22, 2005, 10:53:13 PM
@ Kry:
i feel it can't be more confusing than right now. ;)

@ Xaignar:
only use lowercase "k" for "kilo".
"download rate" and lots others: 2 words
why now all words starting with caps?

"Requested file" is good in regard that transfer may not be currently in progress, but it's worse as it does not indicate the direction. "Requested from me" or "On queue for upload: " sounds good ;) might be relabeled when actually uploading to "Currently uploading: ".

... m2kio !
Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: Xaignar on March 22, 2005, 10:58:41 PM
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Originally posted by m2kio
only use lowercase "k" for "kilo".
What? Where?


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Originally posted by m2kio
"download rate" and lots others: 2 words
Ok.

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Originally posted by m2kio
why now all words starting with caps?
Habbit. Will fix.

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Originally posted by m2kio
"Requested file" is good in regard that transfer may not be currently in progress, but it's worse as it does not indicate the direction. "Requested from me" or "On queue for upload: " sounds good ;) might be relabeled when actually uploading to "Currently uploading: ".
"File requested by client" might be better, but I don't think I'll bother to do the switch to "uploading" when we upload, at least not now.
Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: m2kio on March 22, 2005, 11:07:44 PM
k: the screenshot says: "Upload (Session): 400 KB"

label: "... by peer".
ok, we probably waste too much time here. 8)

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Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: Kry on March 22, 2005, 11:11:09 PM
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Originally posted by m2kio
@ Kry:
i feel it can't be more confusing than right now. ;)

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Swapping them with no change to specify who uploads to who will be MUCH worse. Lot of people is sued to the current way.
Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: m2kio on March 22, 2005, 11:20:21 PM
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Originally posted by Kry

Swapping them with no change to specify who uploads to who will be MUCH worse. Lot of people is sued to the current way.

hm, if they are sued for the current way, then swapping is utterly required.  :P
but i anticipate a typo here.  :))

then change the box heading to "Transfer to peer". i thought it superfluxous, but it may clarify the direction of view. anyway the places stay the same, so those people may not even notice the change of wording.
Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: Kry on March 23, 2005, 12:39:32 AM
I might agree to that.
Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: GonoszTopi on March 25, 2005, 09:58:18 AM
And what about having a preferences option (in GUI tweaks, maybe) to select the POV of the client details dialog? It should default to the old behaviour, but users could change it to their accustomisation.
Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: m2kio on March 25, 2005, 02:35:10 PM
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Originally posted by GonoszTopi
And what about having a preferences option (in GUI tweaks, maybe) to select the POV of the client details dialog? It should default to the old behaviour, but users could change it to their accustomisation.

no, not really. custumization down to the color of the last bit is no real option. Little gain at the cost of added complexity and even another source for confusion. IMHO. imagine s.o. reporting a problem and noting values from this window.

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Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: Xaignar on March 25, 2005, 02:58:55 PM
Agreed, an option for this would only make things even more confusing.
Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: Kry on March 25, 2005, 09:18:57 PM
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Originally posted by GonoszTopi
And what about having a preferences option (in GUI tweaks, maybe) to select the POV of the client details dialog? It should default to the old behaviour, but users could change it to their accustomisation.

Scary.
Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: GonoszTopi on March 26, 2005, 10:01:01 AM
I'm scared of it too :]

But, maybe a custom skin can change this.

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Title: Re: Client Details
Post by: m2kio on March 26, 2005, 06:32:53 PM
looking good now.

thou' still far away from perfection. ;)

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