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Title: I try make new(?) amule Icon
Post by: terry on October 18, 2005, 07:15:37 AM

Hi
Recently I am making new icon theme.(http://jini.kldp.net)
by the way, during that work.
I make amule icon.

That is
36x36 size
(http://freedesktop.org/~terry/amule_36x36.png)

100x100 size
(http://freedesktop.org/~terry/amule_100x100.png)

and svg file is
http://freedesktop.org/~terry/amule.svg (http://freedesktop.org/~terry/amule.svg)

Thanks

Title: Re: I try make new(?) amule Icon
Post by: lfroen on October 18, 2005, 07:52:50 AM

Well, but this is not exactly mule. Little confusing, isn't it ?

Title: Re: I try make new(?) amule Icon
Post by: terry on October 18, 2005, 08:29:31 AM

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Originally posted by lfroen
Well, but this is not exactly mule. Little confusing, isn't it ?

Hum, I know that isn't mule.

At first, recently I know exist amlue icon(in program) is emule's icon.

And

There is rabbit logo in http://www.amule.org.(that look like  amule logo)
So I just guess there is some king of relectionship or amule team chose rabbit is their
logo.

So I design like that.

Thanks.

Title: RE: I try make new(?) amule Icon
Post by: IhmSelbst on October 18, 2005, 09:00:10 AM

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Originally posted by terry
Hi
Recently I am making new icon theme.(http://jini.kldp.net)
by the way, during that work.
I make amule icon.
...

ahum... - the icon doesn´t look so new for me somehow. - in fact, it reminds me of "Thumper" from the disneyfilm "Bambi", as one can see on: http://disneyshopping.go.com/DSSectionPage.process?Merchant_Id=2&Section_Id=14416&Product_Id=114384&CLK=DS_EXTERNAL_LINK_TXT
and
http://adisney.images.go.com/Images/I-Catalog/DS/Products/005181/27466/27466_Z.jpg  8o

Title: RE: I try make new(?) amule Icon
Post by: terry on October 18, 2005, 04:34:29 PM

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Originally posted by IhmSelbst

ahum... - the icon doesn´t look so new for me somehow. - in fact, it reminds me of "Thumper" from the disneyfilm "Bambi", as one can see on: http://disneyshopping.go.com/DSSectionPage.process?Merchant_Id=2&Section_Id=14416&Product_Id=114384&CLK=DS_EXTERNAL_LINK_TXT
and
http://adisney.images.go.com/Images/I-Catalog/DS/Products/005181/27466/27466_Z.jpg  8o

You are right, that icon model is "Thumper"(that is only one, I can find a pretty rabbit).
I just re-make using inkscape.

Title: Re: I try make new(?) amule Icon
Post by: ken on October 19, 2005, 04:15:02 AM

Thanks for your efforts, but we can't use an image so closely derived from a copyrighted work.  It has to be original art, public domain, or licensed in a "free" manner (GPL-compatible).

Also, I suppose it's not for me to say, but I'm under the impression that the rabbit is an informal mascot based on an inside joke, not the official icon of aMule.  Of course, I don't know that there is an official icon.

Title: Re: I try make new(?) amule Icon
Post by: GonoszTopi on October 19, 2005, 11:29:12 AM

I think the rabbit now well associated with aMule. We use the rabbit for the client icon for aMule, the official webpage has a rabbit on it (although the page icon is a mule), and alc's program icon is also a rabbit.

Title: Re: I try make new(?) amule Icon
Post by: lfroen on October 19, 2005, 11:46:19 AM

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rabbit now well associated with aMule

You completely wrong.

It's very confusing to call program Mule and put a rabbit (or any other animal) as logo. You immediatly loosing associativity this way. The idea of logo is to be closely associative with product and product name.
That's why Firefox (browser) have icon of firefox (animal) and Thunderbird (mail client) have thunderbird (a bird). Here is "why":
The name "aMule" sounds like "a mule", which creates association with mule (animal). That's human psychology, that's the way mind works.

So, choosing rabbit as logo is bad idea, unless we change name to something which doesn't contain another animal or have word "rabbit" inside.

If you (terry) like to design new logo, make it either with kind of mule or animal-neutral. But again, even purple mule is better associates with "aMule" that some kind of abstract image.

Title: Re: I try make new(?) amule Icon
Post by: Kry on October 19, 2005, 12:09:16 PM

Well lfroen, as wrong, incoherent, and weird you might see it, our logo IS a rabbit :P

RABBIT POWER HAS YOU. SURRENDER.

Title: Re: I try make new(?) amule Icon
Post by: lfroen on October 19, 2005, 12:48:28 PM

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as wrong, incoherent, and weird you might see it, our logo IS a rabbit

:) When dealing with human behaviour, it is very hard to define "right" and "wrong". That's why I did not say "rabbit logo is wrong". What I did say (read the post again), that if you like to create (in minds of users) association between logo and project/product you should picture what it souds. It sounds "mule", but picture is "rabbit".
In other hand, if you don't care about branding - any logo is ok. No logo is ok too. Seriosly.

Now let's get to "incoherent" thing. Oh, this one is so right ! Usually, program/product tends to put it's logo anywhere it can. In software world we have icon, menu icon, tray icon, website logo. Now on first 3 we have mule, and on last one ... rabbit. But wait - url is also called mule, so wtf rabbit doing there, user asking himself. The answer "rabbit is our logo" leaves user even more confused.

I know, this is not fare that you can't choose your logo by randomly picking picture. Human mind is in no way Newman machine. It is not operated by pure logic.

Title: Re: I try make new(?) amule Icon
Post by: lionel77 on October 19, 2005, 06:11:27 PM

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Originally posted by lfroen
The name "aMule" sounds like "a mule", which creates association with mule (animal). That's human psychology, that's the way mind works.

Well, you could also interpret the "a" in "aMule" as a negation (like in agnostic, atheoretical, etc.). Then an "unMule" could easily be represented by a rabbit... ;)

More seriously though, I have to say I find the rabbit preferable over a mule, too, because it makes people see aMule as an independent entity and not just as a simple cross-platform version of eMule.

That said, it would be great if we had a nice rabbit icon to replace the current mule application icon. However this should be one that does not get us cease-and-desisted by disney within 24 hours... ;)

Title: Re: I try make new(?) amule Icon
Post by: ken on October 21, 2005, 02:49:12 AM

Alright, so who can draw a mule riding around on a hopping rabbit?  ;)

Title: Re: I try make new(?) amule Icon
Post by: Kry on October 21, 2005, 01:45:22 PM

I have no problem (and never had) with changing the icon.

And yes, lfroen, it's absurd. But THAT is what make it so special :) That's what makes us special as a project also ;) We think about fun, not about market.

Title: Re: I try make new(?) amule Icon
Post by: lionel77 on October 21, 2005, 01:53:10 PM

Maybe we should make a "call for rabbit icon" announcement, I'm sure we would get some nice results... :)

Title: Re: I try make new(?) amule Icon
Post by: cdb on October 21, 2005, 03:17:26 PM

maybe you should change the name to aRabbit... rabbits are smarter and faster than mules...

I'd say stick with the Rabbit logo... I like it...

BTW, I am looking for a web-button 80x15px if anybody got one... (getFirefox /RSS/XML size)

Title: Re: I try make new(?) amule Icon
Post by: wuischke on October 21, 2005, 04:15:51 PM

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aRabbit

Hell No!
There's an emule-leecher-mod that's called erabbit. This would just cause confusion and I really like the name amule.
But I like the idea of the rabbit and such a button would be nice as well

Title: Re: I try make new(?) amule Icon
Post by: thedude0001 on October 21, 2005, 05:02:36 PM

...what about aKrokodil? ;)

Title: Re: I try make new(?) amule Icon
Post by: lfroen on October 22, 2005, 08:11:26 AM

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And yes, lfroen, it's absurd. But THAT is what make it so special.  That's what makes us special as a project also.  We think about fun, not about market.

I have no idea how it makes us special. And about fun vs. market - that would be wide-spread problem in opensource world: complete failure to think from user perspective. Since we doing it for our own pleasure, nobody can force us to make thigs this way or another. And that's fair: I'm doing it on my own time - I wanna have fun, nothing wrong with that.
But - that is not, and I repeat, not changing anyting from user perspective.
Changing project name is extremely bad idea: rebranding (that's a name of this process) is long and expansive thing. Let us leave "aMule" with rabbit picture and think about icons.
One more consideration: we should check, what client icon amule gets on eMule, Shereazza, eMule-plus and others. I bet it's not rabbit.

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Well, you could also interpret the "a" in "aMule" as a negation

You may be could interpret it as negation but beare in mind few things: people dont interpret, they associate; most of users are not native english speakers (me too), and I would never think about "a mule" as "un mule".

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...what about aKrokodil

mule + rabbit == krokodil ? I don't think so: none of them swim, none predator and none that ugly :) Take genetics class  ;(

Title: Re: I try make new(?) amule Icon
Post by: IhmSelbst on October 22, 2005, 10:48:35 AM

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Originally posted by thedude0001
...what about aKrokodil? ;)

lacostemule?  :D