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English => Offtopic Section (Nonsense inside) => Small talk => Topic started by: Arichy on December 04, 2005, 02:50:59 PM
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In the user and file statistic of current (Nov. 2005) cvs amule there are three times more users and files shown for Kademlia than for Edonkey network.
But the number of donkey users changes very heavily (sometimes it doubles for a short time), can one trust it?
Can one switch of edonkey network already?
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i don't think you can. i don't believe you should. both complement perfectly well and that's what you shoudl do. what's more, kad is not totally implemented in aMule yet. It will be completed in 2.1.0 thought.
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Uh... Kad is totally implemented, jacobo
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search isn't. your words
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Works great here for a "not implemented feature" :)
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No need for evil servers anymore, kad-only works really fine.
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Personally I wouldn't mind dropping support for servers, but that would probably cause shrieks of outrage throughout the aMule community. ;)
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Originally posted by Xaignar
Personally I wouldn't mind dropping support for servers, but that would probably cause shrieks of outrage throughout the aMule community. ;)
You bet! ;)
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I also run Kad-only mode here just fine....
search works aswell jacobo :P
only difference to ed2k network is the source-getting in the beginning is a bit slower, but that is no big deal in my eyes
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Serach works. The only think that doesn't yet is extended options on kad search.
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It seems, that the number of users shown for edonkey is related to the number of servers in the server list. So the number of edonkey users shown is so little on my mule, because i have only four servers in my list. Right?
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yes
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So there are more edonkey than kademlia users and the answer to the question in subject is: no.
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the ed2k network simple has more clients which support it, so thats why its larger...
the kad network atm is only supported by eMule > v.040 and aMule-cvs afaik
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and mldonkey
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mldonkey cvs still does not publish files on kademlia/overnet network
upload to pure kademlia/overnet client is possible using other client feature (that are able to add as source a client that enter in the queue), and the trick only works for downloading files, no chance to upload a complete files to a pure overnet client (that moreover has not source exchange feature)
http://mldonkey.berlios.de/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=3895&sid=
it seems that haven't been improvements on kademlia/overnet publishing module in the last year
in this time i have seen (from mldonkey stats) the population of amule:mldonkey users changing in this manner
1:3 (trusted mldonkey + new mldonkey)
1:1 (trusted mldonkey, new mldonkey disappeared from stats)
2:1
5/6:1
so seems that as the possibility for amule to control it as remote daemon grows many people switch client from mldonkey (the best remote core in the last years) to amule
still mldonkey has the best web interface, tons of gui to control the remote core and a simply amazing applet for kde panel (kmldonkey applet) that allows to monitor instantly speed/mb transferred/files completed, etc
i hope to see something of similar for amuled as soon as possible
however, tnx to develovers for their efforts till now
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Well, my feeling on mldonkey are... hum... let's say I don't like multi-network apps. Even less multi-network apps that publish versions with incomplete protocol implementation, yours was a good example. And other bugs on kad.
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Mldonkey it's a bit more flexible... but usually the problably with all-around apps it's that it ain't very good on just one feature.
Tó
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mldonkey didn't even bothered to use the emule kad implementation, they used their overnet one, then modified it a little to send proper kad things. And they keep sending NON proper kad things.
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I don't know about that, I only use amule now ;)
Tó
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in this thread (august2004) the developer of kademlia emule module asks to mldonkey main developer details about kademlia implementation and errors generated by rogue clients
current mldonkey release 2.5.27
http://mldonkey.berlios.de/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2840&highlight=kademlia&sid=
after that mldonkey 2.5.28 was released, then the main developer discontinued the project
the last changelog before 2.5.28 with kad/overnet improvements was 2.5.23
2004/08/04: Fabrice (version 2.5.23 = 2.6pre5, tag release-2-5-23)
- ocaml-3.08 is required to compile now.
- Overnet and Emule-Kademlia share the same (partial) implementation:
* Use global options "enable_overnet", "enable_kademlia" and
"enable_servers" to choose which modes you want to use.
* See the options for Kademlia and Overnet in donkey.ini.
* Use kad_ and ov_ prefixes to call commands for these networks
("kad_buckets" gives the current connection status, "kad_boots"
gives the number of known peers to bootstrap, "kad_stats" gives
the current status of searches, "kad_store" for what is published
on the client)
* Currently working:
* Search for keywords (normal searches)
* Search for files (localisation of sources)
* Replies to external searches
Publishing of files/keywords on the distribuited network seems still missing
BTW, after 2.5.28, the project is passed in the hands of other people and from then only few news about the implementation of the serverless network, just some patches to improve peers management
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:S
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So much for kad om mldonkey.... Maybe it's time for them to start using aMule;)
Tó
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What I can say is that I have a file in download queue with very few sources (around four), and with Edonkey connected to Razorback 2 or Donkey 1, even after some days the file shows some sources but incomplete. But with Kademlia, the file shows complete.
Cheers!
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Hey!
I'm looking for some relevant info about Kademlia. One of the things I'm interested in is How many clients are connected to Kad network? I guess there is no exact answer, but maybe some good approximations...
Regards!
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Many.
Is it a good approximation?