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Title: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: GonoszTopi on June 25, 2006, 06:18:43 PM
Ok, this is a competiton. Reason? See http://forum.amule.org/thread.php?threadid=10430&sid=

Just to start with something, here's one: --1c4f772748dc1249d203eabcbea65b6b It isn't very constructive, but hard to type. I expect better ones on this thread.

And what award does the winner take? Maybe one week of free slave monkey-work at amule.org will be enough...
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: Gerd78 on June 25, 2006, 06:29:42 PM
Is that a GUID (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID)?

If yes, here are some more:

76263f3cf76b4234bcc76aee25727f6c
ac1d952974064a78801365af9198fb33
bb730d2e03934185a1d9eebe054e99d7

EDIT: You could add a GUID creator to aMule and write that into amule.conf so each user has to type something different. That would be exceptionally EVIL[tm].
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: GonoszTopi on June 25, 2006, 06:58:40 PM
No, it wasn't a guid. It was md5sum amule.cpp.
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: wuischke on June 25, 2006, 06:59:34 PM
The usual linux user should already be familiar with strange combinations as everyone does who writes in perl...;)

Thus we need something which forces you to have some fun while typing. Just some hex is not evil enough.


amule --OCi9nRXbL5fKgCeyziOM48eNFqw-lA looks appropriate for me.
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: GonoszTopi on June 25, 2006, 07:05:18 PM
base64? Better.
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: wuischke on June 25, 2006, 07:06:44 PM
Actually just random characters, but it amounts to the same.
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: GonoszTopi on June 25, 2006, 07:13:14 PM
And what about removing that stupid flag thing totally?

Instead amule would open a dialog, where the user has to manually type in the base64 of the current  time (milliseconds resolution), or any random character string? C/p disabled, of course.
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: GonoszTopi on June 25, 2006, 07:15:12 PM
Oh, yes, and the input area is enabled only after some 10 seconds...
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: Gerd78 on June 25, 2006, 07:18:12 PM
Even more EVIL[tm]: (1) Use a method that requires each user to type something different, and (2) maybe even something different each day with the very same binary.

To implement (1), add code to aMule that creates a random string at run-time, add a new pref that holds this random string and write the random string into this pref if it's empty.

That is, the first time a user executes the new, extra-evil aMule, a random string is generated, displayed and written to amule.conf. The next time, aMule reads the pref from amule.conf, compares it to what the user passed on the command line and refuses to start if it's different.

To implement (2), implement (1), but change it so that the procedure is repeated every day.

That is, aMule behaves as in (1), but additionally it regenerates the random string if the modification time of amule.conf is not today. The error message could be something like "The command line is incorrect or outdated, today you have to pass --".
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: GonoszTopi on June 25, 2006, 07:29:00 PM
Would be even better, if we could find a way to generate random sentences instead of just random character strings.
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: wuischke on June 25, 2006, 08:21:10 PM
Well, you need the basic layout of an English/German/French/whateverlanguageyouwant sentence and just make a list of possible words for position inside this layout.

Very basic layout: subject - verb - object
some possible subjects: aMule SVN, evil Developers, desu
some possible verbs: eat(s), burn(s), rock(s)
some possible objects: the internet, your dog, your house

If you extend this idea with multiple layouts (questions,...) and some more words you have a nice random sentence generator.
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: Kry on June 25, 2006, 09:06:44 PM
And generate it based on:

Day
Hour
username

would be enough.
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: wuischke on June 25, 2006, 09:58:05 PM
Stupid question: Is there something like a username in Windows 9x?

But even your solution won't help against scripts, because day/hour/username can be easily inserted by a script.
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: Gerd78 on June 25, 2006, 10:06:31 PM
Almost everything can be inserted by a script :P

And forget my proposal above, storing the value in amule.conf is nonsense because it can be grepped from there.

It must be something that is too complex to calculate in a script, and it must not be stored anywhere.
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: wuischke on June 25, 2006, 10:10:55 PM
What about a dialog box with a captcha?
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: Kry on June 25, 2006, 10:22:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by wuischke
Stupid question: Is there something like a username in Windows 9x?

But even your solution won't help against scripts, because day/hour/username can be easily inserted by a script.

No... day/hours/username decides the random seed for the random sentence.

(which efectively creates a captcha)
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: wuischke on June 25, 2006, 10:27:36 PM
Ah, now I see. Now we need someone who actually codes this. ;) Anyone?

Mh, after reading through the wx-documentation for the getday/hours/username()-functions, I could do this as well...If no one else wants to, I'll write a patch for this important issue. :D
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: GonoszTopi on June 25, 2006, 11:13:00 PM
You're welcome to do it. Then we can spend our precious time sunbathing in the beaches ... er, I mean coding aMule.
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: stefanero on June 25, 2006, 11:49:29 PM
lmao, ok this just made my day  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: kreegee on June 25, 2006, 11:54:33 PM
why not let amule callback to Kry and ask for permission to run it?
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: Kry on June 26, 2006, 12:18:13 AM
Don't tempt me.
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: stefanero on June 26, 2006, 12:18:59 AM
hmm might be a nice feature to find out how many pleople use it ;)

and kry never sleeps, so he had the time for the

 "nope sry your not evil enought to run this software"
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: wuischke on June 26, 2006, 09:41:48 AM
Blooming heck, I really love today's new flag...  :D

Will be the hell of a job do create something which achieves the same *omfg-what-goddamn-drugs-are-these-guys-taking*-effect while typing the flag...
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: lionel77 on June 26, 2006, 09:00:01 PM
I'm a little confused why amule actually tells you the flag when you try to start it without it. If the goal is to make the CVS versions as difficult to run as possible for users, this is definitively a bug.

Depending on the desired degree of evilness, amule could either just output "you did not guess the correct flag, idiot" or it could provide users with some obscure hint that is remotely related to the flag.
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: Kry on June 26, 2006, 09:47:31 PM
You people like tempting me, huh?

I want to be evil without reaching the "annoying" state.
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: Belgabor on June 27, 2006, 07:28:45 PM
The flags I've seen so far are pretty easy to type on any western keyboard. We're living in the utf8 age, the flag should contain at least some Japanese, Chinese and Kyrillic characters...   :]
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: Kry on June 28, 2006, 05:01:25 AM
DO
NOT
TEMPT
ME
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: GonoszTopi on June 28, 2006, 10:52:46 AM
Belgabor: Why do you want to make life easier for Japanese or Chinese or any people? You should have suggested an invented language, like Quenya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quenya) and an artificial script like Tengwar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengwar).

Kry: you should definiately NOT read this thread.
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: kreegee on June 28, 2006, 02:00:32 PM
ASCII-Art Captcha would be nice, BUT you got to draw the captcha from letters and not type letters drawn in a picture. reverse-captcha ;)
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: wuischke on June 28, 2006, 03:47:19 PM
Kry, you REALLY should not read this thread...

I'm still working at the random sentence generator and as I'm finally able to compile current tarballs at my machine I don't have to mind about this anymore...
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: JusTiCe8 on July 09, 2006, 07:14:45 PM
The best flag could be a weird sequence for which each character need 3 keys, created with in mind to maximise keys changes between each chars and, of course, no copy/paste possible :P  :]


be sure you're able to run very very fast !!
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: bunbun on February 18, 2007, 01:55:30 AM
Any actual words in the flag should be transcribed using IPA (the linguists' phonetic alphabet). This will result in several awesome things:

1. Users speaking slowly and carefully out loud at their computer screens to figure out the phonetic transcription of words as they type.
2. Users with different accents coming up with different answers.
3. The need for users to download IPA alphabets before using amule.
4. Most IPA characters require multi-key entry.
5. Things that occur in English that most people have no idea about, like alveolar flaps and aspirated consonants.
6. Users coming up with different answers depending on where each word is in the flag, for repeated words. (Most people pronounce words differently depending where they are in a sentence or an utterance, which makes a phonological difference as far as IPA is concerned, if not a meaning difference.)

May I also suggest that the correct answer correspond to the pronunciation of someone speaking BRITISH English with a Swahilian accent, and that there be a time-limit for entry of about 30 seconds. Oh, also, agreed, no copy/pasting, that's cheating.
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: wuischke on February 23, 2007, 05:20:47 PM
Your thoughts are truly evil. Copy and Paste is impossible as the flag is described in another 'language' and figuring out the language (how the heck sounds br. English with swahilian accent?) will be more fun than pacman ever was.

I bet you're spending a lot of time hanging around with evil guys. ;)
Title: Re: Competiton for the weirdest and hardest-to-type flag
Post by: Kry on February 23, 2007, 09:27:39 PM
Your thoughts are truly evil. Copy and Paste is impossible as the flag is described in another 'language' and figuring out the language (how the heck sounds br. English with swahilian accent?) will be more fun than pacman ever was.

I bet you're spending a lot of time hanging around with evil guys. ;)

Oh, I bet she was that way before hanging around evil guys ;)