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English => aMule News => Topic started by: Kry on August 27, 2006, 08:24:43 PM
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Hello people. Work is being done, slow because summer is a slow season, and we're all busy working or at beach or working at beach, or whatever we're doing. But work is being done. And there will be a release soon, tho I'm not sure if a 2.1.x or that 2.2.0 that everyone wants to be released. We'll see about that.
On a side note,
THE WIKI IS NOT A PLACE TO REPORT BUGS OR ASK FOR HELP.
MY EMAIL IS NOT A PLACE TO REPORT BUGS OR ASK FOR HELP.
ADMIN_AT_AMULE.ORG EMAIL IS NOT A PLACE TO REPORT BUGS OR ASK FOR HELP.
UPDATE: NO, THE REPORT BUTTON ON THE DOWNLOAD PAGE IS NOT A PLACE TO REPORT BUGS OR ASK FOR HELP EITHER.
Every bug report or help request filed via those methods will be ignored, and the user punished if I ever find out his real life location.
No kidding. I get plenty of mails a day.
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Funny thing I think :)
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It's not.
Belive me.
ITS NOT.
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Originally posted by Kry
and the user punished if I ever find out his real life location.
...and he will find: http://www.frappr.com/amule :]
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So, I've never asked for help or reported a bug. I was seeking a new version to download… when I saw this message proudly displayed on the homepage. It was disappointing.
I'm sure you are overloaded with clueless users using the wrong channels for communication. That really sucks, and you have my deepest sympathies.
However, if you'd really like to help solve this problem, you may wish to provide some positive guidance as to HOW they can do these things. Just yelling at them for what they are doing wrong, without some direction, is not helping your cause at all.
Also, your attitude implying violence has me reconsidering eMule as a project I wish to make monetary contributions to.
Kindest Regards,
3ric
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You completely missed the point. Specialy about the violence bit. We can't provide more positive guidance - there's no way. There are like 30 forum sections in 5 different languages (maybe more). There is irc channel. I was personally replying those mail to point the proper comunication channels - it just made people mail me MORE. We were pointing people from wiki to the proper channel, now we just delete the edits. Same with the report button. I'm about to disable it, we get like 1 useful report for every 1 thousand "OMG WHERE IS SEVER LIST CAN'T DL PORN LOLZ". Seriously.
But you misunderstood the post. Read it again. I gave updates on the project's state, The I put some big warnings about what NOT to do, which is something we have been doing in a per-user basis for the last what, 2 years, 3 years? And it doesn't work. The best way to reach users is the main page on the website, as you just realized yourself, and belive me, if there's anyone thinking an open source developer is going to look after him in Real Life (tm) to punish him for being clueless, I guess he deserves what he gets.
Really, some people (fortunately just a few percentage) just DOESN'T CARE or BOTHER to do the right thing. They think "OH LOLZ THEY WILL READ ME WIZ DIS BUTTON" and use it to spam the hell out of us. And I don't mean just help, I mean pure spam. I don't know what can get someone to use temporary mail boxes to mail those aliases to just annoy the hell out of us with spam and "LOLZ I'M MAILING YOU WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO DIS IS NOT ME REAL MAILZ ROFL", etcetera, but I guess boredom is the primary reason.
And the day people bothers to read the wiki for help before asking, or search the forum for help before asking, or read the irc channel rules or even the topic which states some basics (like reading the wiki and the forum first), it'll be a happy day. I'm sorry you find my lack of spoon-feeding willingness discouraging in donating to the project. Guess trying to get the people to think for themselves and be resourceful nulifies any coding we might do, or the usefulnes of the app for you.
Really, my post has been very kind, for what some people deserves, and for what people here is used to see from me. It was so kind, some people like you might have taken it seriously. Think again.
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Originally posted by Kry
Work is being done, slow because summer is a slow season ... And there will be a release soon, tho I'm not sure if a 2.1.x or that 2.2.0 that everyone wants to be released. ...
In the meantime, another bug fix release would be fine.
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To fix what?
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bugs :)
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Like? Anything to complain about?
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No, it just crashes a little bit too often.
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No on my side. I have seen no really critical bug for 2.1.3, nor any crash report with info that can be reproducible on my side to fix it. Everything I've seen seems distro-related.
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too bad ;(
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I agree with Kry, all fine here.
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Fix kademlia for amuled. It disconnects from Kademlia and there is no way to force a reconnect unless you restart amuled.
I found out that the network code for amulegui and amuled is not the same so that explains why it works with amulegui but not amuled.
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amulegui is a remote control app, amuled is a daemon. How can they be the same?
Anyway, amueld's kad works perfectly here, so I'm afraid there's nothing I can fix on that side.
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Hi Kry,
i didn't mean amulegui but amule with included gui. The "all on one" amule.
This uses wxwidgets sockets and amuled some other mechanism. So if i connect to amuled and it says not connected to kad and i give the command connect kad it won't do anything. Isn't that a bug ?
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there are yet several bugs in aMule 2.1.3. In Ubuntu it crashes after 20 minutes working, test it in a vmware machine if you can't install this distro. The same happens with 2.1.2 and .1, so 2.1.0 is always the second aMule version most used (aMule > Statistics > Version > aMule). With Dapper you should use 2.1.0, even if you have the last version of wxwidgets... There is something wrong with the GUI.
There are other, and minor bugs (example: Options > directories > text: "Right click to share..." (it should be left click).
I think these bugs should be solved before developing the 2.2.0 (just my opinion) and then add new features (import from another clients, etc).
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Wait, the fact ubuntu ships a bugged version of their packages is our fault now?
And btw, it's in fact, right click. Read the sentence.
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Ok, i have updated from 2.1.0 to 2.1.3 and the right click works (not in 2.1.0). I don't know if it is too fault of my old wx, but never mind.
About Ubuntu, you're rigth, sorry. I had tried all the solutions suggested (http://forum.amule.org/thread.php?threadid=10700&sid=&hilightuser=7861) without getting a solution, so i thought it was a bug. Today with libwx2.7 it seems to work.
Congratulations about your work, and just a personal question if you want to answer... are you from Madrid?
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Nope. Galiza.
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Originally posted by Kry
To fix what?
there a lot of annoying bugs, bugs that annoy people but aren't showstoppers, for example:
1) search doesn't remember if I have pressed advanced options, I use it every time, and every time I start amule I have to press it :O
http://www.amule.org/abugs/view.php?id=871
2) transfers window doesn't remember the the order you choose, for example if you expand a download and you order by priority, de-expand and expand again and the order is go away
3) another order bug is that it isn't refreshed if something is changed: for example try to order by % completation and you will see that if a file go ahead another one in % the order gets wrong (no refresh)
4) some windows [transfers, network], sometimes doesn't remember the position of the line that divides the two windows (up and down) and I have to re-move every time amule thinks to move it
5) with amule 2.1.3 and ubuntu 6.10 (wxgtk2 v2.6.3.2.1.5) and mandriva 2007 there are a lot of crash problems related to tabs (don't know if related to ubuntu/mandriva packages):
http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/amule/+bug/59138
http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=23691
http://sourceforge.net/support/tracker.php?aid=1591571
6) sometimes (cannot reproduce everytime) closing one tab results the right-side tabs doesn't go left in the position of the previous closed tab
7) the number of users online and files in the bottom of amule is on two lines instead of one, and it moves left and right every update... resulting in dancing numbers that annoy.
so I think a 2.1.4 would be great, at least with these annoying bugs fixed ;)
thanx anyway for your work!
Cimmo
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besides that amuled ignores the command to connect to kad
the amulecmd client sometimes displays ridiculous percentages like 324% or even negative values.
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amuled doens't ignore the connect to kad command.
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Hi,
I am new on this forum but I have been a heavy amule user for 2 years at least...
I am quite surprised about users complaining about crashes because I haven't experienced even a single one for many months...
Did you try to setup the last wxWindows & amule from sources ?
To end this for today I would like to thank Kry & all the devs for such a good work ! And of course I am waiting for the obfuscation feature ;) but honestly downloading still works great without it !
Bye ;)
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same here, super-stable.
the only problem i have ever seen is not being able to expand the window from the tray-icon but it was still running and i could still exit from it.
that only happened about 4 times in years btw.
i think most peoples problems are actually caused by WX because i have had hell getting that to work well with other app's.
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To add my point, Cimmo's bug list was related mainly to a bad correlation of wxGtk2.6.3 against new Gtk. wxGtk > 2.7.2 fixes all these (I ran 2.8.0rc1 with daily CVS for 3 days and no trouble for now). The "order memory" ? Ok, fine, but mainly this is "comfort updates", not really bugs.
The only one that annoys me should be the "dancing numbers". And that is on days where I don't know what to do but look at my amule screen.
Come on. Let the dev focus on the obfuscation thingy, other "bvugs" may wait for a while. Remember they do that for a hobby, they are not slaves.
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as soon as updated packages of wx will be available for Edgy I will try, for now there are only for amd64
none has said that they are slaves, I have only listed which bugs for me are annoying... they are bugs, minor bugs, but bugs.
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And to respond to the "amuled ignores connect to Kad", indeed it does not ignore the connect button or command, when you are still connected to Kad or if you disconnected manually.
I think that Realcruncher refers to the situation where Kad is disconnected by the daemon, since in that case it does display "connecting to Kad", but besides that it just doesn't do anything, there simply is no connection to Kad anymore.
Other then that, I have no problems with aMule, it works like a charm. Keep up the good work!
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That's because you lose all the contacts due to not receiving UDP packets. Critical point here is, I did never happen to me.
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I can confirm the problem with kad and amuled...
After some hours, kad went offline and keeps offline.
After I've changed to the gui version, the problems with kad are gone now! (always connected)...
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YES, some people can confirm it. But as long as it doesn't happen to me there's nothing I can do.
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Hi Kry,
you could destroy the UDP socket and create a new one if kad doesn't work any longer ?
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Taht's an interesting idea. I'll check the possibilities when I have time, around 2009 :P
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Kry, which Linux distro do you use?
Yea, I know this is a FREE, Open-Source software and we can't complain, but we can give our opinions.
And some of them are very simple and important to implement in aMule's project.
I am not an expert-programmer (still learning at university), but if I was I would have done a lot of GUI-Improvements in aMule.
Not that aMule MUST be just like eMule, but some graphical-bugs could be fixed...
Is it that difficult? Or you simply never have time for this?
aMule is GREAT, but-and you have to consider that is the Only eMule's Linux ALIVE.
If aMule dies, Linux community won't have another good choice for ed2k downloads... :(
And, after I read all the posts of this thread, the only thing I can see and understand is that you don't really want to continue this project...
Only because "this bug doesn't happen to me" it is not a reason to "do nothing".
The bug, the crash, the protocol-obfuscation, the GUI-improvement, they aren't only for you and for your Linux distro, but for Everybody that uses Linux and like downloading files on the web.
Only a few people that uses Windows uses aMule... because eMule, comparing now, is better.
So... aMule is not for your PC, for your Linux distro.
It is for everybody...
Again: if I were an expert-programmer, I would have already fixed a lot of simple bugs in aMule... no, it is not that I have time, it is simply that I like ed2k files and use them very often and like to see people happy with something that I have done.
I've made a site that helps people configuring eMule, and I am always updating it with better explanations, better screenshots... the site is not for me, but for newbies. And it gets like one thousand visits per day (what surprised me).
If you wanna see it (it is in brazilian-portuguese, so maybe you won't understand :P):
http://www.tutorialemule.rg3.net
And, if aMule gets better and better, I will wanna make a site helping to configure aMule too!
Thanks for the attention and keep up with the good work :D
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Hi vitorgatti!
I think you get something wrong. Kry never said he will discontinue the project. And he's using Debian iirc.
About the improvements: You don't have to be a programmer to improve the GUI. All you need is either pencil and paper or GIMP and then you can start drawing your ideas. This way it's easy for the developers to change the gui.
About the simple bugs: Which one are they, could you list them (if they aren't in the bugtracker already)?
Anyway: Welcome to the forums and keep trying to improve aMule. ;)
Abraço
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vitorgatti, I find your post very unfair.
aMule is a quite complex program, and Kry and the other active devs are doing a really good job, being so few.
Also I won't call "simple" any bug (or lack of feature), and if you were and expert-programmer you would know that even the littlest patch can break havock in the entire tree, and can't be done in a "casual" fashion.
A little, cosmetic feature can involve several changes in several files, and is therefore a waste of the already few coding resouces the project have. That's why Kry and the crew have priorities.
I am becoming sick of logging on the forums and see people whine about aMule having "bugs", and blaming Kry for not fixing them.
I am one of those who use aMuled (and with no choices, I can't have a graphic session on the pc running it) and my Kad always disconnect randomly between 1 to 4 hours after starting, without reconnecting. I already gave on the forum all my info and my ideas on the subject, but I know Kry can't work on it. And not because he doesn't want to, but because this problem doesn't generate any backtrace or log he can analyze, so he would have to observe it on his machine.
Of course I am perfectly aware Kry will answer to this post with a "No, it's because I'm evil" :D
Kad works fine on the GUI version, so fixing it on the daemon is not high priority, and I live with it.
I know you are only trying to motivate the developers to create a great program for everyone needs, but I assure you they already feel it. Else, they would keep their code for themselves and use a "Krymule" optimized for their needs on their own machine alone. instead of releasing it on the net and put their efforts in creating "stable" versions for widespread release. I've seen a lot of other projects sticking with a CVS version only because, hei, it's free, do you want a quality review too?
Sorry for the rant, but it's a rainy day here... ;)
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Yea, I also know it is difficult to keep changing the code for "GUI-improvements" or "simple-bugfix".
But, for example:
- the Search: is it that difficult to make an function/procedure that saves the search methods? Me and everybody that uses aMule have to always choose Global Server - Extended Parameters - Audio/Video. BUT, if even Kry doesn't get annoyed with that, then he could say "this problem doesn't annoy me, so I won't do anything" O_o...
- the Statistics: they are nice, but could be better. They could have more of eMule's data too, like the Max Download/Upload Rate since first time running aMule, Max Time aMule functioning since first time. Because it only shows the session statistics (only Max Down and Max Up that is global). And I like seeing this, to get an idea of how "nice" I am being. Is it that difficult to implement this on the project?
And well, what I have in mind is that when you start a project, you have to know that people will complain, people will blame you, hate you. But ALSO love you, help you, give money to you :P
You have to analyze and use the helps and the money (of course xD) and get the compliments for you to have more motivation to continue the project. People blaming you have to be ignored :P
aMule could be a lot better than eMule, or as good as.
I am just saying this because I like aMule, and not because I just want aMule better and that's it.
I am not complaning. I am just giving my opinions.
I know how Kry feels when he opens his email and see some stupid questions about aMule. People send me stupid emails about how to configure eMule, how to get High ID, and other stuff. Hell yea, this sucks a lot.
But I have to be patient, and answer them all... because I started the site, I wanted to do it. So I have to "suffer the consequences" :)
I know aMule will get better. It just could at least be a litte faster... :P
aMSN is another project that is very slow.
Yea, this is all free... that is why I am not complaining :)
And I know there is a lot of people that don't care and keep complaining and blaming.
:)
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Originally posted by wuischke
About the simple bugs: Which one are they, could you list them (if they aren't in the bugtracker already)?
I've just made a very detailed list about simple&annoying(tm) bugs, one of them was in bug tracker from months, still ignored...
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I don't really have the time to reply to all this posts :P
People that knows me will understand the irony of it.
As a side note, Aethereal explained quite well why Only because "this bug doesn't happen to me" it is not a reason to "do nothing".
is not exact. The fact is, I can't do nothing against TAHT bug if it doens't ahppen to me. There's no way.
As for the one you say is "open and ignored", care to give a link?
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Originally posted by Kry
I don't really have the time to reply to all this posts :P
People that knows me will understand the irony of it.
As a side note, Aethereal explained quite well why Only because "this bug doesn't happen to me" it is not a reason to "do nothing".
is not exact. The fact is, I can't do nothing against TAHT bug if it doens't ahppen to me. There's no way.
As for the one you say is "open and ignored", care to give a link?
What kind of informations could be usefull for you (or other developers), to solve the kad problem?
Perhaps you can reproduce the Bug if you know some details about my PC:
- OS: debian 3.1 etch
- Kernel: 2.6.15-1-486
- CPU: Pentium 4 360 3.0 GHz
Debian Packages (amule 2.1.3):
- amule
- amule-common
- amule-daemon
- amule-utils
- amule-utils-gui
- amule-console-utils
- amule-gui-utils
- amule-remote-gui
What else, could be usefull?
PS: At the moment, I'm running eMule 0.47c under wine on my linux box. There is the same problem. After some hours kad went down and keeps down until restart of eMule. But i don't think that it has something to do with the aMule Bug... has it?
PSS: Could it be, that kad crashes after I become a new IP address from my provider (every 20 hours)? I haven't chacked that. I don't know how to find out the "crashtime" of kad...
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Well, you are the boss.
You know what you do :)
When vacation starts for you and someday you have nothing to do, try to correct these gui-bugs and simple-bugs, if possible.
And yes, there is something you can do if the problem occurs with a lot of people but not with you.
You can check the source-code and search for useless code / redundant code / generic code to make things in a hurry.
But do this only when you have free-annoyed-time ;)
Thanks
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Originally posted by sopinon
PSS: Could it be, that kad crashes after I become a new IP address from my provider (every 20 hours)? I haven't chacked that. I don't know how to find out the "crashtime" of kad...
Hi, I have a crappy internet connection which gets disconnected quite often. When I get reconnected (whit a different IP) aMule keeps running but kad doesn't reconnect automatically.
Hope it helps :)
btw, i'm running the gui version under Ubuntu edgy (aMule 2.1.3)
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Kry, you know there have been some flames about protocol obfuscation. It is due to the fact that in some country amule becames unusable and also in countries without P2P filtering, the number of sources is decreasing day by day, due to "Obfuscated protocol only" enabled trasfer from some windows based clients. Can you report us the status about the implementation of this technically unusefull, but functionally necessary function? BTW, great work, Bye!
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We can use that protocol obfuscation now more than ever, because as of a few days ago, I discovered that my ISP (only one in my country) is now blocking my UDP ports. It sent me on a frenzied search for open ports, to no avail. Kad network simply firewalled in every UDP port that I tried. In my desperation I even tried out various port sniffers, all ended in frustration. So Kademlia is dead to me now, even with eMule 0.47c. The solution that seems to be working for me, at least for the moment, is to turn off UDP, and fall back on Protocol Obfuscation. This at least gives me a consistent acceptable transfer rate. This is strong contrast to two nights ago, when my transfer rate fell below 10K/s.
And yeah, I would sue my ISP if I could.
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No on my side. I have seen no really critical bug for 2.1.3, nor any crash report with info that can be reproducible on my side to fix it. Everything I've seen seems distro-related.
Fair enough. But aMule still crashes here. Therefore, if "critical bugs for 2.13 are not seen", it has to be some other system componet failure. I would like some finger pointing here, as something is causing aMule to crash and I would like to know what it is.
I am running amule 2.1.3 full time, and it crashes regularly about every 8 days, like a clock.
I launch aMule like thus$ date > ~/Temp/date_arranque_amule.txt ; amule ; echo "******************" ; echo -n "Amule fue arrancado: " ; cat ~/Temp/date_arranque_amule.txt ; echo "******************" ; echo -n "Hora actual: " ; date ; echo "******************"
And I get:
----------------------------=| BACKTRACE FOLLOWS: |=----------------------------
Current version is: aMule 2.1.3 using wxGTK2 v2.6.3 (Unicoded)
Running on: Linux 2.6.8-2-386 i686
Violación de segmento
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Amule fue arrancado: jue abr 5 14:52:05 CEST 2007
******************
Hora actual: vie abr 13 22:30:51 CEST 2007
******************
And also:
----------------------------=| BACKTRACE FOLLOWS: |=----------------------------
Current version is: aMule 2.1.3 using wxGTK2 v2.6.3 (Unicoded)
Running on: Linux 2.6.8-2-386 i686
Violación de segmento
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Amule fue arrancado: vie abr 13 22:31:47 CEST 2007
******************
Hora actual: dom abr 22 01:41:26 CEST 2007
******************
And so on...
Other info: this is Debian 3.1 Sarge, with:
$ dpkg -l libgtk2* | grep ^ii
ii libgtk2.0-0 2.6.4-3.1 The GTK+ graphical user interface library
ii libgtk2.0-bin 2.6.4-3.1 The programs for the GTK+ graphical user int
ii libgtk2.0-comm 2.6.4-3.1 Common files for the GTK+ graphical user int
ii libgtk2.0-dev 2.6.4-3.1 Development files for the GTK+ library
$ grep amule /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://amule-debian.dyndns.org/ debian/ # Para aMule 2.1.3 GTK2
$ dpkg -l amule*
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Estado=No/Instalado/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: mayúsc.=malo)
||/ Nombre Versión Descripción
+++-=============================-=============================-==========================================================================
ii amule 2.1.3-1 aNOTHER eMule P2P Client (monolithic client)
ii amule-common 2.1.3-1 aNOTHER eMule P2P Client (common shared files)
ii amule-console-utils 2.1.3-1 aNOTHER eMule P2P Client (console utils)
ii amule-daemon 2.1.3-1 aNOTHER eMule P2P Client (daemon client)
ii amule-gui-utils 2.1.3-1 aNOTHER eMule P2P Client (GUI utils)
ii amule-remote-gui 2.1.3-1 aNOTHER eMule P2P Client (remote GUI)
ii amule-utils 2.1.3-1 aNOTHER eMule P2P Client (utils dummy Package)
So is it wxWidgets, GTK2, kernel version, etc.?
You probably cannot reproduce the problem in your system, but I'm fairly sure you could really easily reproduce my system (debian 3.1 with the above pointed apt source) and see for yourself. Unless you are so sure it is not an aMule problem, in which case I would like to know which component is failing here.
Regards.
PS: and by the way, my other Debian 3.1 system (headless) running amule "daemon" of the same version never crashes, but gets the Kad disconnection problem and never reconnects to Kad unless restarted. I guess this is also unrreproducible.
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It is for me.
Also, provide a backtrace for your problem and we'll look into it. Pretending the developers will install a full distro to check a bug they don't experience when the user could provide an useful backtrace is naive to say the least.
And remember, we do not provide and consequently we do not give support to precompiled packages.
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Also, provide a backtrace for your problem and we'll look into it.
I am currently getting ready to upgrade to the next stable Debian version. When done, I shall compile aMule with debug capability and send a backtrace, if it still crashes in that environment.
Thanks for your reply.