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English => Feature requests => Topic started by: Darky on April 01, 2006, 10:56:01 PM

Title: Encripted Protocol
Post by: Darky on April 01, 2006, 10:56:01 PM
In Chile a lot of companies has Traffic Shapping and filter amule, please make encripted protocol like bittorrent
Title: Re: Encripted Protocol
Post by: Kry on April 02, 2006, 02:36:49 AM
No.
Title: Like neo mule then?
Post by: leuk_he on April 03, 2006, 11:37:40 AM
Then support the protocol obfuscation like neomule?
Title: Re: Encripted Protocol
Post by: Kry on April 03, 2006, 12:54:15 PM
No.
Title: why no?
Post by: leuk_he on April 04, 2006, 10:53:47 AM
can you give a longer reply?

No, because you want to spend time on  other priorities,

or
No, Protocol obfuscation is stupid.
Title: Re: Encripted Protocol
Post by: lfroen on April 04, 2006, 11:03:06 AM
"No", because this question had already been asked and answered, but you didn't bother to search the forum.
Title: Re: Encripted Protocol
Post by: leuk_he on April 04, 2006, 11:37:08 AM
Search only works if you know the right words to search.  SOme more browsing brings me to the topic that search is broken and:

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Originally posted by lfroen
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My isp will be introducing traffic shaping.
Change ISP. Take legal action. This is not technical problem.

That makes your point clear. But if you think from the viewpoint of a user instead a dev you will switch p2p application instead of switsching isp.


(maybe a Frequently asked feature stikcy would have stopped me from posting...)
Title: Re: Encripted Protocol
Post by: Kry on April 04, 2006, 01:09:29 PM
Maybe if you relate this "Kry" to the one on eMule forum, you would already know the answer...
Title: Re: Encripted Protocol
Post by: leuk_he on April 04, 2006, 01:37:10 PM
You mean the emule forum that is currently dead? (With dead i mean: not functional  :D )

I do not  keep track of of the opinion of all ed2k devs on a Feature. And i did not read enough of amule.org to get the idea who does what(yup, you do a lot kry, i know). I think i refrain from posting here for a while to give you time to code again. (Big file support in a release  (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=EMule&action=edit§ion=17)instead of cvs  (http://forum.amule.org/images/bunfirlite/smilies/happy.gif) )

/really offtopic:
   You really make a point out of being rude on your own forum don't you?

ALL HAIL NWO :baby:
Title: Re: Encripted Protocol
Post by: Kry on April 04, 2006, 03:41:54 PM
I have to be rude here, it's my work ;)
Title: Re: Encripted Protocol
Post by: wardevil on April 04, 2006, 07:44:50 PM
Kry,you may want to look here (http://www.correiomanha.pt/noticia.asp?id=197195&idselect=185&idCanal=185&p=94)
Is in portuguese but i think you will understand it.
I believe no matter what,protocol encription will be in the near future....or else....goodbye aMule....
RII* will not rest until all p2p software are in the state of death....
Encryption is start to become a must to have,cause,sooner or later ISPs tend to do traffic shapping,even with not standard ports most modern routers can identify p2p software in the streams of packets,so,with encription will be "almost" impossible to know what kind of data is passing the wire...  :P

Well...just my opinion....cause i am become a bit nervous with this kind of news...

Cheers....
Title: Re: Encripted Protocol
Post by: lfroen on April 05, 2006, 01:32:49 PM
wardevil: Tell me something - is "search the forum" very complicated for you or what ?! Or may be you have reading comprehention problem(s) and need stuff to be explained in simple words ?! May be RIAA nocking YOUR door ?!
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I believe no matter what ...
Seeing is believing, you know. And THAT remains to be seen.

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RII* will not rest until all p2p software
In the world ? Is that what you mean ?
AFAIK, RIAA and MPAA have "American" in their name. US is great country, I'm sure, but their laws valid only in US. Not in Portugal. Not anywhere else.

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Sooner or later ISPs tend to do traffic shapping
I my country there's little thing called "law" which makes sure that another little thing called "service contract" is honored. Meaning, that your ISP must state issue of traffic shaping or type of traffic in service contract. And this "must" is enforceble in court of law. But, this is my country. Yours may be different :)

Now some insight on the issue of traffic shaping. ISP uses shaping for p2p traffic, but not for the reason you think. You may be surprised, but ISP _want_ very you to use p2p. More you want p2p - more you need their services, you buy more bandwidth - everyone is happy. But - ISP itself is buying less bandwidth that worst-case would need. To keep network working - instead of buying more bandwidth, they do shaping on heaviest application. This way they effectively deceive you by celling more bandwidth that they can supply. And they don't give a jack about RIAA or MPAA or whatever.
Title: Re: Encripted Protocol
Post by: Kry on April 05, 2006, 01:36:48 PM
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Originally posted by lfroen
wardevil: Tell me something - is "search the forum" very complicated for you or what ?! Or may be you have reading comprehention problem(s) and need stuff to be explained in simple words ?! May be RIAA nocking YOUR door ?!

Actually, forum search is kinnda broken...
Title: Re: Encripted Protocol
Post by: wardevil on April 05, 2006, 07:04:06 PM
Right....
Title: Re: Encripted Protocol
Post by: leuk_he on April 05, 2006, 10:20:22 PM
Well at lease someone got the notion to add a "Features no to request" sticky.

(I do not agree with the reasoning of thedude001, but it makes things clear at least)
Title: Re: Encripted Protocol
Post by: Kry on April 05, 2006, 11:16:49 PM
Is not "the reasoning of thedude001" is the reasoning of the project team.
Title: Re: Encripted Protocol
Post by: leuk_he on April 06, 2006, 10:58:35 AM
I still think users will switch applications before they switch isp.


I don't care if it was only  the opinion of thedude or the entire team.  Like you don't (should...) not care about my opinion.  8o  :))  :]
Title: Re: Encripted Protocol
Post by: lfroen on April 06, 2006, 01:03:50 PM
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I still think users will switch applications before they switch isp

And some will switch both. So what is your point ?

Technical problems must be fixed. Legal problems arising from program use/misuse/abuse are up to users to deal with.
Want fight for freedom of speech against RIAA/MPAA ? Great. Hire a lawer, go to demostration, sign petition and so on.
Want to enforce DMCA laws and fight piracy ? Great too. Press charges thru your law enforcement authorities, contact police or whatever.

All those have nothing to do with fact that protocol encryption in p2p is waste of time, effort and bandwidth.
Title: Re: Encripted Protocol
Post by: Kry on April 06, 2006, 03:38:25 PM
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Originally posted by leuk_he
I still think users will switch applications before they switch isp.


I don't care if it was only  the opinion of thedude or the entire team.  Like you don't (should...) not care about my opinion.  8o  :))  :]


You're so close to getting a warning :) We told you, it is NOT gonna happen, and you should drop the subject. As you can see on the new sticky post, this kind of threads will be directly closed.

This is not eMule forum. I don't want 8 pages of mindless discussion here. let's keep the forum tidy. This is feature requests, and the answer to that request is: NO.
Title: Re: Encripted Protocol
Post by: leuk_he on April 11, 2006, 02:51:32 PM
Ok, I started a list of isp you better avoid with eMule ( & aMule)

fee free to add isp in this wiki:

http://www.filesharingweb.de/mediaWiki/index.php/English:List_of_Bandwidth_throttling_ISPs

(please do not take this as a sign of promoting encryption! protocol obfuscation still give a very very bad expierence as only 0.01% off all users use this. )
Title: Re: Encripted Protocol
Post by: stefanero on April 11, 2006, 03:10:07 PM
nice idear imho