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English => Offtopic Section (Nonsense inside) => Small talk => Topic started by: Stu Redman on April 23, 2009, 11:59:34 PM
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Just installed Jaunty and - WTF is aMule-AdundanzA doing there in the application list ? Replacing aMule ?!? >:(
Great. Guess where they will go posting questions now.
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Seriously? These pesky Italians* are really vocal in asking for features... but anyone who calls Kademlia "Kadu" even in the official package description should <enter your favourite torture method here> At least original aMule is still there, even in version 2.2.4.
* Joking, I love you.
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This is the correct place to talk of this? :-\
EDIT: Moved to Small talk
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What the fucking fuck.
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These pesky Italians* are really vocal in asking for features...
I really wonder what's riding this Ubuntunians. How can they add an App that hasn't even an English homepage so one can look up what it's about? Wuischke, as experienced Italian coffee drinker - can you sum up some facts (other than "it sucks and we ban it")?
At least original aMule is still there, even in version 2.2.4.
There are two places to install software in Ubuntu:
1) Synaptic package manager: has both
2) Application manager: Adundanza only.
Since the Application manager might be the place where the noobs look first for installing, I'm seeing a lot of fun coming along. >:(
even in version 2.2.4.
Even more fun ahead. :-[
This is the correct place to talk of this? :-\
Well - I think it's not small talk, since it's aMule business. There's no distribution discussion board.
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Adunanza is a mod created because a certain Italian ISP blocks traffic (or something similar) and they started to modify the client to work inside the network of the ISP, thereby creating their own subnet. Take these information with a grain of salt, I never looked at the source or bothered to read in depth.
2) Application manager: Adundanza only.
In this case we should file a bug report - Adunanza is only useful for Fastweb user, if I'm not mistaken, and everybody else will be better off with regular aMule.
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Indeed.
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Wuischke, as experienced Italian coffee drinker - can you sum up some facts (other than "it sucks and we ban it")?
Oh oh, I'd like to see those facts listed eventually. There are too many friends I'd like to share that.
Full story will be sort of a surprise, indeed.
Cheers,
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Gaznevada
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Using Adunanza by the general public is horrendously wrong. Mind you, using Adunanza by the Fastweb users is bad enough in my book, but at least it's some form of damage control. This is plain retarded.
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- This is aMule 2.2.2 AdunanzA using wxGTK2 v2.8.9 based on eMule
- Visit http://www.amule.org to check if a new version is available.
Yeah, sure. What a piece of crap. And it starts with an Italian splash screen. Ubuntu must be out of their minds.
And it doesn't connect to Kad of course. :P
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Report it to them. Make them see how fucking stupid whoever did that is.
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Reported (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/app-install-data-ubuntu/+bug/368580).
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You forgot that the application has only a italian page for downloads and support, making it retarded to offer it worldwide (but not more retarded than the fact it's ISP-specific)
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You forgot that the application has only a italian page for downloads and support, making it retarded to offer it worldwide (but not more retarded than the fact it's ISP-specific)
Added and I subscribed bugreport to ubuntu-sru... I wish you good luck with the bugreport. I already lost hope in what any "update post-release" (even have a svn of aMule 2.2.0 on Ubuntu 8.04 LTS)
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You shouldn't have quoted Kry verbatim though. If anybody files a report for aMule using the word retarded chances are pretty high he'll get nothing but a good fuck you as response. I don't think this helps our case. ::)
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You shouldn't have quoted Kry verbatim though. If anybody files a report for aMule using the word retarded chances are pretty high he'll get nothing but a good fuck you as response. I don't think this helps our case. ::)
Oops! Sorry... :-[ :-[
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Yeah, god fucking dammit Festor. I'm pretty much insulting them in that quote. I might be right on doing so, but it's not good manners.
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Yeah, god fucking dammit Festor. I'm pretty much insulting them in that quote. I might be right on doing so, but it's not good manners.
:'( :'(
News! -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/app-install-data-ubuntu/+bug/368580
marking as triaged, setting to medium priority.
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I have a friend here, using eMule Adu...and i saw his statistics...the newer versions do also upload to normal ed2k clients...before they had a leecher behaviour...
How aMule-adu works idk...
...But having them in Ubuntu-repo's is bad...more than bad stupid...because much ppl will install it... (btw. i'm ubuntu user :P )
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the newer versions do also upload to normal ed2k clients
Hard to do if doesn't connect at all. :P
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Yikes. I'm using aMule under Ubuntu but this is usually self-compiled SVN. Having strange aMule fork by default is strange and disruptive. Ubuntu guys did a quite strange thing. Do not forget to vote on bug by ticking "this bug also affects me" thingie.
P.S. but how about ability to connect lowid to lowid? This is often possible via STUN-like protocol and you already have buddies which can do same trick as STUN server does. So minor protocol change can relax things to a number of users and save them from reinventing wheel.
Inability to connect LowID to LowID caused people to research how to work this around. And ignorance of aMule\eMule dev's caused fork to appear. Now this ignorance backfired and caused a major damage. Don't you think that you should be a bit more responsive to users troubles? For example Lowid to lowid transfers could be implemented easily. So maybe at some day people will not need to reinvent the wheel but can use aMule?
P.P.S. Btw, as for me, I also have ISP with fast LAN which uses private addresses (10.x.x.x range). It would be great if aMule can operate in local network in addition to internet. This probably requires second instance of Kad to start-up and form local-only network with relaxed countermeasures (subnetworks vs contacts limits, etc). There is a number of such networks where ISP runs two nets - internet and intranet and such feature can help users in such networks. Btw some neat ideas including bootstrapping Kad via broadcast in hope someone in our segment responds with bootstrap contacts.
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And ignorance of aMule\eMule dev's caused fork to appear.
No. You're uninformed and offensive.
Now this ignorance backfired and caused a major damage. Don't you think that you should be a bit more responsive to users troubles?
Eh, this deserves some swearing but I'm in a good mood. Just shut up about things you know nothing about.
For example Lowid to lowid transfers could be implemented easily. So maybe at some day people will not need to reinvent the wheel but can use aMule?
No. You're uninformed and offensive.
P.P.S. Btw, as for me, I also have ISP with fast LAN which uses private addresses (10.x.x.x range). It would be great if aMule can operate in local network in addition to internet. This probably requires second instance of Kad to start-up and form local-only network with relaxed countermeasures (subnetworks vs contacts limits, etc). There is a number of such networks where ISP runs two nets - internet and intranet and such feature can help users in such networks. Btw some neat ideas including bootstrapping Kad via broadcast in hope someone in our segment responds with bootstrap contacts.
LOL. You really need to read quite a bit about Kademlia networks and generally speaking distributed networks, and while you're at it read and understand the eMule and aMule codebases and learn why you're mostly talking nonsense.
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And more news!!
Martin Pitt on 2009-05-26
Changed in app-install-data-ubuntu (Ubuntu):
assignee: nobody → Michael Vogt (mvo)
Martin Pitt is a member of Ubuntu Main Sponsor (app-install-data-ubuntu is in main).
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Ahh - it is fixed on Jaunty-proposed (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/368580/comments/14). :-*