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Help determining source of bug!
« on: January 05, 2005, 08:15:08 AM »

Hello!

I am the founder/maintainer of aMule's mother project xMule, the program aMule copied from in its origin.

It has come to my attention over the past few days that quite a number of aMule clients are being banned by my program, and since this is one of about 5 outstanding issues with my client, I am trying to come to the bottom of it.

I posted the problem of aMules being banned for "suspicious name changes" on xMule's forums, and Xaignar of aMule was kind enough to respond that the issue may, in fact, lie in flawed xMule code having its origin from a one-time contributor to the project's inclusion of an eMule mod's code
http://cvs.gna.org/viewcvs/xmule/xmule/src/UploadQueue.cpp.diff?r1=1.8;r2=1.9;f=h

Now, in the hopes that this post is not deleted/moved/censored, I would like help in isolating this bug.  And I come to you.  Many many many of you may realize that I have serious problems communicating with Kry and DeltaHF and a few others (Jacobo, Stefanero, etc) due to our Type A personalities.  I am also told aMule is a "democracy" and I am a "tyrrant" (by those same people none-the-less, lol).

Hopefully YOU and I can come to consensus as to what actually happens when an aMule client tries to download from an xMule client.  As I have stated previously, I do not have aMule on my system and refuse to have it due to ethical standards (aka I refuse to copy, partly due to legal reasons).  You, however, do have a working aMule client.

The only other problems we may have are communication and what to transfer.  I can be contacted at theodore@xmule.ws.  I do not transfer illegal material.  In fact, I only transfer those things which I create or have no copyright.

The ed2k link we should probably try downloading is one with a predominance of xMule sources.  For those of you that don't know, for survival xMule was forced to camouflage itself as eMule for the greater part of 2004, so there are far more xMules out there than meets the stats box :p.

We have a few options:
ed2k://|file|KerryWonVote.pdf|2263418|a43c9586874056e26aaeba59a8312a61|/|sources,68.89.168.212:4444|/
or
ed2k://|file|xmule-1.9.5pre4.tar.bz2|1351228|ca74aa857a24481c806dcfd5f547a78b|/|sources,68.89.168.212:4444|/

Of course, I will *need* to have a one-on-one (or one-on-many) dialog with testers so that I can get my xmule instance inside of a debugger while they attempt to upload, thus you should either email me or visit the IRC channel #xmule on Undernet.

By doing this, your amule client will be able to download from xMule clients and it will mark a *huge* step towards peaceful cooperation of the projects!!  

I have tried several times (~13) to have peace since aMule was started.  Perhaps 2005 is a year for benevolent changes :-)

With much hope,
Theodore R. Smith || aka HopeSeekr

PS [edit]oops! as a sign of the times, their tone has indeed softened quite a bit since my last post here some months ago :-)) -- My description is no longer "code stealer and spreader of lies" but "xMule self-proclaimed owner and aMule hater"!  I do directly own 70% of all of xMule's cummulative changes over time and upwards of 85% of its code, thus technically giving me "ownership"; bigones[/edit]
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Re: Help determining source of bug!
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2005, 08:24:24 AM »

DAMN! I must be blind :-/

Where is the "track this comment" feature?  I really do want to be notified of responses to this thread!

Burning Board *must* have something equivalent to what's in phpBB, Invision PB, etc, I just cant find it :-/
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RE: Help determining source of bug!
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2005, 09:17:03 AM »

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Originally posted by HopeSeekr
Hello!

I am the founder/maintainer of aMule's mother project xMule, the program aMule copied from in its origin.

in both ways, isn't? and you forgot lMule again.

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It has come to my attention over the past few days that quite a number of aMule clients are being banned by my program, and since this is one of about 5 outstanding issues with my client, I am trying to come to the bottom of it.

that's bad, but there are so few xMule around so i think it doesn't matter if we don't get some kB's

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I posted the problem of aMules being banned for "suspicious name changes" on xMule's forums, and Xaignar of aMule was kind enough to respond that the issue may, in fact, lie in flawed xMule code having its origin from a one-time contributor to the project's inclusion of an eMule mod's code
http://cvs.gna.org/viewcvs/xmule/xmule/src/UploadQueue.cpp.diff?r1=1.8;r2=1.9;f=h

"one-time contributor"?  arn't you the one that did everything? at least you say so.

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Now, in the hopes that this post is not deleted/moved/censored, I would like help in isolating this bug.
And I come to you.  Many many many of you may realize that I have serious problems communicating with Kry and DeltaHF and a few others (Jacobo, Stefanero, etc) due to our Type A personalities.  I am also told aMule is a "democracy" and I am a "tyrrant" (by those same people none-the-less, lol).

everyone knows why

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Hopefully YOU and I can come to consensus as to what actually happens when an aMule client tries to download from an xMule client.

wasn't your client the one that block newer aMule and eMule clients? (because instead of fixing bugs you better ban other clients?)

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As I have stated previously, I do not have aMule on my system and refuse to have it due to ethical standards (aka I refuse to copy, partly due to legal reasons).  You, however, do have a working aMule client.



you will never learn to tell the truth :/

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The only other problems we may have are communication and what to transfer.  I can be contacted at theodore@xmule.ws.

will send you merry xmas postcard next year, thx for sharing your e-mail address with us

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I do not transfer illegal material.  In fact, I only transfer those things which I create or have no copyright.



see my reply about "i don't have amule"

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The ed2k link we should probably try downloading is one with a predominance of xMule sources.  For those of you that don't know, for survival xMule was forced to camouflage itself as eMule for the greater part of 2004, so there are far more xMules out there than meets the stats box :p.

of course not. our stats are not buggy

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We have a few options:
ed2k://|file|KerryWonVote.pdf|2263418|a43c9586874056e26aaeba59a8312a61|/|sources,68.89.168.212:4444|/
or
ed2k://|file|xmule-1.9.5pre4.tar.bz2|1351228|ca74aa857a24481c806dcfd5f547a78b|/|sources,68.89.168.212:4444|/

Of course, I will *need* to have a one-on-one (or one-on-many) dialog with testers so that I can get my xmule instance inside of a debugger while they attempt to upload, thus you should either email me or visit the IRC channel #xmule on Undernet.

hm, does it fail to get ppl for xmule in your forum? i think your users could run aMule aswell and help you to debug it. they want a better xmule too or not?

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By doing this, your amule client will be able to download from xMule clients and it will mark a *huge* step towards peaceful cooperation of the projects!!  

:)

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I have tried several times (~13) to have peace since aMule was started.  Perhaps 2005 is a year for benevolent changes :-)

if you learn to tell ppl the truth and stop doing stupid things.. maybe

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With much hope,
Theodore R. Smith || aka HopeSeekr

ur welcome

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PS [edit]oops! as a sign of the times, their tone has indeed softened quite a bit since my last post here some months ago :-)) -- My description is no longer "code stealer and spreader of lies" but "xMule self-proclaimed owner and aMule hater"!  I do directly own 70% of all of xMule's cummulative changes over time and upwards of 85% of its code, thus technically giving me "ownership"; bigones[/edit]

so nice, but you still forget to mention before xMule was the lMule

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RE: Help determining source of bug!
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2005, 04:03:35 PM »

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PS [edit]oops! as a sign of the times, their tone has indeed softened quite a bit since my last post here some months ago :-)) -- My description is no longer "code stealer and spreader of lies" but "xMule self-proclaimed owner and aMule hater"!  I do directly own 70% of all of xMule's cummulative changes over time and upwards of 85% of its code, thus technically giving me "ownership"; bigones[/edit]

Fixed. We might as well try to keep the discussion at a rational level.
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Re: Help determining source of bug!
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2005, 04:29:01 PM »

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I am the founder/maintainer of aMule's mother project xMule, the program aMule copied from in its origin.

You're the spreader of lies and flamer that destroyed the original lmule project and forked it. We, on the other side, are the real developers of the *mule codebase in linux. A brief look to both lmule and aMule will show a lot of common developers, and a brief look on xMule and lmule will show just one common factor: you.

You broke lmule, forked it, made lot of great people leave, and then you also destroyed xMule by making us Madcat_, me, and virtually any developer that went to xMule to leave in shame of even being related to you. Ask yourself why are you alone. Alone as developer, alone with just some users. You're not a good developer, you're a terrible admin, you're a failure at public relationships, you're a eccentric flamer with no common sense and that flies so high on his self-confidence that fools himself to be better than people that's clearly way above him on the evolutive chain.

Why can I say all this things about you breaking lmule, forking it, harming everyone, making great people leave? Check  HERE, on the guest members, for the reason I can.

And oh PLEASE. You broke lmule, doing the "xMule" dance, and then aMule was born forked from that codebase and we are a 'copy'? No, thanks. We're the real lmule spirit around. You're just a never-ending annoyance.

Theodore, I'm sick of you, sick of your lies, sick of your flames, sick of your insults, sick of your nonsense, sick of you at every single level.

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I posted the problem of aMules being banned for "suspicious name changes" on xMule's forums, and Xaignar of aMule was kind enough to respond that the issue may, in fact, lie in flawed xMule code having its origin from a one-time contributor to the project's inclusion of an eMule mod's code
http://cvs.gna.org/viewcvs/xmule/xmule/s...=1.8;r2=1.9;f=h

Ted, Ted, Ted. Xaignar didn't say the issue "may, in fact, lie in flawed xMule code". Xaignar posted FILENAMES AND LINES WHERE THE BUG IS! He explained you the bug, explained you the code, and told you how to fix. This ridiculous attempt to gain popularity posting here is the kind of thing that brings shame to all xMule project. Sad thing is that it indirectly also relates the former xMule developers  with it.

Oh, and don't blame MikaelB for the bug, it's been there since 12 July 2003!!!!!!!!!!! How comes the O-Great-Coder-And-Admin of xMule didn't notice this bug in ONE YEAR AND A HALF?  The "Oh xMule is so great it has no bugs I'm way above any competitor" (competitors? WTF?) didn't notice he was banning aMule clients for one year and a half?

Something smells VERY bad around.

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I would like help in isolating this bug. And I come to you. Many many many of you may realize that I have serious problems communicating with Kry and DeltaHF and a few others (Jacobo, Stefanero, etc) due to our Type A personalities.

No, I'm sorry but no. It's not because we're type A. Wanna know why? because even if we all were Type A (WTF is that?), then how come YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE HAVING PROBLEMS WITH US! Shouldn't we all hate each other if we're all Type A, accorfing to that being the reason for the problems?

No, Ted, the problem is YOU. Face it. We don't like you. You insulted us, flamed us, the project and the users, and you made so much shit in all the time this people has known you, that they don't like you at all. We would be happy Type A's without you around, thanks.

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I do not have aMule on my system and refuse to have it due to ethical standards (aka I refuse to copy, partly due to legal reasons)

LOL, c'mon Ted, whcih user is going to belive they can have ethical or legal problems for  having aMule? Man, you're the biggest "lying car seller" I've ever seen. You go beyond the ridiculous speak to the absolute nonsense, spitting words and lies around to see if some catch us.

aMule is not a copy, Ted. It's a fork. It happens when you're so annoying that noone can work with you. People go and take the COMMON WORK OF A LOT OF PEOPLE, that DOESN'T BELONG TO TEODHORE R. SMITH, and keep working on what they like, love, and respect. the lmule codebase, brought to us by the great genious Tiku, from that awesome guy that coded all this: Merkur, the eMule creator.

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The only other problems we may have are communication and what to transfer. I can be contacted at theodore@xmule.ws. I do not transfer illegal material. In fact, I only transfer those things which I create or have no copyright.

Read delta's post. Those screenshots are yours, Ted!

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The ed2k link we should probably try downloading is one with a predominance of xMule sources. For those of you that don't know, for survival xMule was forced to camouflage itself as eMule for the greater part of 2004, so there are far more xMules out there than meets the stats box :p.

This stupid nonsense is replied at the other thread.

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We have a few options:
ed2k://|file|KerryWonVote.pdf|2263418|a43c9586874056e26aaeba59a8312a61|/|sources,68.89.168.212:4444|/
or
ed2k://|file|xmule-1.9.5pre4.tar.bz2|1351228|ca74aa857a24481c806dcfd5f547a78b|/|sources,68.89.168.212:4444|/

Of course, I will *need* to have a one-on-one (or one-on-many) dialog with testers so that I can get my xmule instance inside of a debugger while they attempt to upload, thus you should either email me or visit the IRC channel #xmule on Undernet.

NOW THAT'S REAL SPAMMING AND AVERTISING!!!! GOOD JOB, SECOND-HAND-CAR-LYING-SELLER!

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By doing this, your amule client will be able to download from xMule clients and it will mark a *huge* step towards peaceful cooperation of the projects!!

Want to make a *huge* step? STOP BANNING AMULE FROM YOUR CLIENT! IT'S ONE LINE CHANGE! WE TOLD YOU THE LINE AND CHANGE! AND GO SPAM ELSEWHERE!

PLEASE Ted, Learn! I came to xMule forums, posted a screenshot, posted the bug, you flamed me. I posted NOTHING MORE, I didn't flame, I didn't spam, I did nothing.

You came here and did exactly the opposite. LEARN to have colaboration.

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I have tried several times (~13) to have peace since aMule was started. Perhaps 2005 is a year for benevolent changes :-)

I think those are not 13, but in fact about 1 million times! Counting as for you, saying "you're assholes!" counts as a peace attempt, I think you insulted/flamed use A LOT MORE  TIMES than 13.

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I do directly own 70% of all of xMule's cummulative changes over time and upwards of 85% of its code, thus technically giving me "ownership"

No, sorry. You didn't modify xMule that much (instead, aMule is MUCH MORE modified than xMule). you have no moral neither legal rights over xMule.
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Re: Help determining source of bug!
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2005, 06:54:45 PM »

Now for some history on forks and Ted's plan for Future on xMule!

(For those not knowing, Un-Thesis = HopeSeekr = Ted)

This is time machine! Summer of '03!

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[Friday 11 July 2003 - 12:50:44] it is going to be PROPRIETARY
[Friday 11 July 2003 - 12:50:46] PROPRIETARY
[Friday 11 July 2003 - 12:51:01] only contributors to my cause will get access to it
[Friday 11 July 2003 - 12:51:05] code contributors get betas
[Friday 11 July 2003 - 12:51:12] ppl who pay get the releases
[Friday 11 July 2003 - 12:51:20] ppl who pay slightly more also get the betas
[Friday 11 July 2003 - 12:52:05] in other words: If I want a free (open source) xmule 2.x, I have to do it on my own?
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[Friday 11 July 2003 - 12:53:21] if you opt for a $5/month deal
[Friday 11 July 2003 - 12:53:56] you will get a month pass that will send you to QR 1 of every xMule client !!
[Friday 11 July 2003 - 12:54:03] no waits for FAST downloads!
[Friday 11 July 2003 - 12:54:06] No reason to upload!
[Friday 11 July 2003 - 12:54:14] you are contributing to the network by paying for it


What? Not enough? remember Ted saying how much he hates people forking?

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18:17:37    you need to fork
18:17:41    take madcat w/ you please

Any Hollywood man around to make a movie on Ted's Secret Plans?

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18:24:05    goddamn
18:24:08    i wish you guys would just fork
18:24:12    and leave me the hell alone
18:24:22    i'm tempted to fork you guys myself
18:25:34    i knew you guys would have insufficient visison
18:25:42    nagging me every step of the way
18:25:48    that's why i keep my plans secret

More forks?

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18:31:44    so why don't you guys fork!?!!?!?
18:31:45    leave me the hell alone
18:31:49    go do your own project
18:31:49    please
18:31:53    i don't want to stop you
18:31:56    i also don't want to fight you
18:32:07    you should fork
18:32:11    ok
18:32:14    what are reasons why you won't fork?

More, baby, gimme more!

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18:37:32    just leave
18:37:34    start your own xmule
18:37:35    err
18:37:38    your own p2p

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18:45:43    i say
18:45:47    i say that we just fork

Bah, tired of irc? Lets get to forum talk.

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xMule "2" was probably a good fork.  Problem was they tried to take control of xMule first, while I was away, and never once tried to honestly mediate a solution with me.  It took 4 weeks of fighting and 2 weeks of me begging them for them to finally fork.

(BTW: Taking control of xMule? wtf?)

K, k, nuff said :)

Ted, you told people to fork you. People forked you. Now you complaining about the fact people forked you, that's funny.
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