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jmccorm

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Disagree with "~/.aMule" should be "~/aMule" or "~/amule"
« on: January 09, 2004, 09:35:12 PM »
Generally, directories are started off with .'s when you don't want an average user to go into it. For example, a directory browser like Nautilus doesn't show directories starting with a dot. Yet, you want users to be able to navigate into the Incoming directory, and you don't want to give it a special hidden status.

I know this isn't an issue at all for experienced users, but for clarity and conformity, you might want to consider switching something around here. But it move .aMule to aMule, or changing the incoming directory, or something else.

Other than that, I for one worship our new aMule Overlords.
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Re: Disagree with "~/.aMule" should be "~/aMule" or "~/amule"
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2004, 10:37:48 PM »
Maybe a ~/.aMule for setup files, and a ~/aMule for Incoming/Temp folders?
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Re: Disagree with "~/.aMule" should be "~/aMule" or "~/amule"
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2004, 02:11:54 AM »
That's agreeable.
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Re: Disagree with "~/.aMule" should be "~/aMule" or "~/amule"
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2004, 02:16:19 AM »
Just for new users, of course - Actual users CAN'T have Incoming /Temp folders moved.
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Re: Disagree with "~/.aMule" should be "~/aMule" or "~/amule"
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2004, 02:25:46 AM »
The first thing to do is to set a download and incoming location, at least that's what I do first. If you guys think it has to reasonable right that the beginning, I don't think so. I think people should set this to something they want and I don't think it's reasonable to make a solution that's fine for people who are too lazy for it.
I'd hate it if aMule created the dir aMule at the setup without my permission.
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Re: Disagree with "~/.aMule" should be "~/aMule" or "~/amule"
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2004, 02:43:47 AM »
emperor's got a point, too
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Re: Disagree with "~/.aMule" should be "~/aMule" or "~/amule"
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2004, 03:00:58 AM »
Actually, your argument is contradictory. First you say that you don't think it has to be reasonable right from the beginning. Then you say you don't think its reasonable to make a solution "that's fine for people who are too lazy for it".

You say that you'd hate it if aMule created the dir aMule at the setup "without your permission." But, once again, you say that you don't think it has to be reasonable right from the beginning.

I am picking on you a bit, but I did find something which I could agree with:
"The first thing to do is to set a download and incoming location, at least that's what I do first."

If this is prompted on a virgin install, yes.

The basic issue here is that .* directories aren't ones that you are to commonly navigate into, which is the default for the Incoming directory. Of course, being a more *advanced* user, you could easily change it if it created an "~/aMule" or a "~/Incoming" directory that you don't like.

It may be your preference to have everything under .aMule, which is fine. However, it ignores standards by putting clearly regularly accessed files (which are not to be invisible) under a hidden ".aMule" directory tree.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2004, 03:31:47 AM by jmccorm »
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Re: Disagree with "~/.aMule" should be "~/aMule" or "~/amule"
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2004, 12:20:49 PM »
Okay maybe I'm completely unable to express myself well.
By saying it needn't be reasonable from the beginning, i meant that it needn't be reasonable solution (reasonable : files are getting downloaded to a folder with no .) right after it was installed without the user having changed anything. The folders are usually changed anyways, so who cares what was configured before?

And well what I think: advanced users set their folders and normal users don't change it? Well, I wasn't advanced either when I set it but if the people don't look in the configuration where it downloads to they can hardly know it, therefore they must've already been in the configuration and if they're already looking at it they needn't start thinking: "oh well what kind of crap have the programmers done here? I obviously don't want it here." Instead they should think: "Let's see what the best locations would be and change this setting."
Well I'm not saying this feature shouldn't be implemented but I just want to bring up that not everybody loves it. :P
edit: oh yeah if there'll ever be a wizard that would surely solve issues like that.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2004, 12:26:02 PM by emperor »
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Re: Disagree with "~/.aMule" should be "~/aMule" or "~/amule"
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2004, 09:37:11 AM »
It's not that complicated as you think. The point here is: .* directories are thouse you normally don't look at. Under normal curcumstances you don't want to brows Temp but you DO want to browse Incoming. Which means, that location of Temp must be under ~/.aMule and location of Incoming must be in ~/Mule_Incoming or something similar.
And yes, both MUST be configurable. Yes, BOTH.
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Re: Disagree with "~/.aMule" should be "~/aMule" or "~/amule"
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2004, 01:55:13 AM »
In my opinion the best compromise it to ask (on a new install) if you want a symlink in "~/aMule Incoming" pointing to "~/.aMule/Incoming". This must be default on YES, so if a newbye user doesn't read the wizard he will easily find his downloads. If an advanced user hates these folders he can click NO.
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Re: Disagree with "~/.aMule" should be "~/aMule" or "~/amule"
« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2004, 06:08:58 AM »
Disagree - you missing the point. The idea is to possibility to actually move Incoming directory somewhere else (to partition with more space for example).
But as temporaly solution for newcomers this will work.
btw - there's nothing "advanced" in naming your files ".xyz"
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Re: Disagree with "~/.aMule" should be "~/aMule" or "~/amule"
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2004, 12:49:48 PM »
I don't think that I missed the point, I think that a new user must be able to find his downloads without going into prefs, so the symlink. You can still go into prefs and put incoming folder wherever you like (to partition with more space for example).

btw - "advanced" is relative... finding hidden files and folders is difficult for a lot of people.
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Re: Disagree with "~/.aMule" should be "~/aMule" or "~/amule"
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2004, 02:01:42 AM »
The point in hidden directories is to keep users from messing with config files (and it is certainly true that many users considers this 'advanced') and keep their home dirs nice and pretty. But Incoming needs a diferent approach, as it is something everyone using aMule will want to browse.
IMHO, the user should be given the chance to set the Incoming dir wherever he wants it to be right from the installation script. The symlink approach might cause troubles if the user changes Incoming at some point, as the symlink would be broken leaving the novice user with the horrifing feeling that he's lost all his tresssssures ;)
My bet would be for ~/aMuleIncoming (or whatever) for the incoming files and ~/.aMule for the config files and Temp dir as a default setting. Or even ~/aMule/Incoming, ~/aMule/.Temp, ~/aMule/.config for a cleaner setup.
Just a matter of taste I guess, but I agree that novice users should be able to see their Incoming dir right from the start :)
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Re: Disagree with "~/.aMule" should be "~/aMule" or "~/amule"
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2004, 02:23:35 AM »
A little old, the post, but...

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Originally posted by iRET
Or even ~/aMule/Incoming, ~/aMule/.Temp, ~/aMule/.config for a cleaner setup.

My prefered choice, follows emule disposition with the added linux way.

Question: why .eMule? And why not in .aMule/?
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Re: Disagree with "~/.aMule" should be "~/aMule" or "~/amule"
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2004, 02:51:47 AM »
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Originally posted by Seagull

Question: why .eMule? And why not in .aMule/?

we are on the way to change it ;)
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