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Re: RC6 Release!
« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2004, 10:42:21 PM »

"if he rewrites it completely" <- sure, that's the big IF ;-)
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Re: RC6 Release!
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2004, 11:14:30 PM »

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although I remember you that open source software doesn't mean free software, so Hopeseeker was in his right of close-source it (if he rewrites it completely, I think....I don't remember the complete GPL)

I don't get the point on your sentence. Yes, Open source is not the same as free software. But if he closes it, then it's not open software, neither is free if he makes people pay for it.
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Re: RC6 Release!
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2004, 11:30:01 PM »

Under the GPL license (http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html) and the Free Software definition (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html), yes it can be free while, at the same time, making people pay for it, as long as it is free to see/modify the code and free to redistribute.
Anyway, I don't think that was in HopeSeekr's mind (if he knew at all) ;-)
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Re: RC6 Release!
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2004, 11:56:11 PM »

"Thus, you should be free to redistribute copies, either with or without modifications, either gratis or charging a fee for distribution"

Well, that makes kinnda pointless to make people pay for an app if they can distribute it freely afterwards...
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Re: RC6 Release!
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2004, 08:58:54 AM »

I don't understand it, too...but it seems to be Hope's plans.... :P

bah, nevermind.
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Re: RC6 Release!
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2004, 10:48:40 AM »

just one final thing.

for the most part i *have* done 80% of the work of xmule and i *do* spend roughly 100 hours a week programming it...for free.

the point of re-rewriting is os that i can *AVOID* FORKS...to make it easier to NEGOTIATE AND WORK WITH than work APART AND THEN ATTACK TO GET USERS.

I'm not against freedom...I'm for getting peace of mind out of my work and from people who visit my website, both of which are *severely* hampered/attacked by hostile forks such as aMule (created on the very day I was subpaenad by the MPAA and had my internet connection cut off just to prove that BigBob could do more than just edit XML files (he didn't do shit  until kry came..in order to take over a project, which he failed to do w/ xMule but could and did with the non-coder bigbob)).

Look at DynPrefs of xmule...It's EXACTLY what I want the future of xMule to be:
  a) Incapable of being used by viral freedom-restricting licenses such as the GPL (which is really the only one)
  b) 100% open source
  c) 100% free to use in *any* way so long as permission is gained before modification, so as to guarantee working together
  d) ability to use in commercial settings, for this is the *ONLY* way Peer-2-Peer will *ever* become MAINSTREAM in a legal way.

But I don't expect people to realize my visions.  You can barely grasp how xMule is being used in China right now, which I have first hand knowledge of.  how we're using it in conjunction with outragedmoderates.org.  How Alex Jones of Freedom-TV and infowars.com is planning to integrate it to offset bandwidth restrictions.

But then again, I'm out to change the world, and aMule and the mental and emotional stress the bulk of its developers have caused me (uber, what the fuck did i *ever* do to the bulk of you to deserve this shit? This forsaking?  Have any of you *EVER* cried the way this hostile fork makes me cry whenever Kry gets up my ass in private?  The way he and delta forced me to the brink of suicide by their downright insiduously hurtful comments back when I was at the lowest point of my life (Jan-Feb 04)??  No?? Maybe it's because i keep these things private.

If you want someone with VISION, come to me.  All I lack is time.  Dedication and perseverence i have plenty of, and *NO*ONE* EXCEPT KRY AND MADCAT HAVE THOUGHT I AM A DIFFICULT PERSON TO WORK WITH! NO ONE!  I have been emotionally unstable at times, but you would too if you came from the shithole I've been in most of 2003/2004 with the very notable exception of 2 weeks in November.

Anyway...i got as far as Kry's 1st two sentences in this thread and then i wanted to throw up, literally.  I can't stand Kry, Kry... *EDITED AND REMOVED THE REFERENCES TO MY PRIVATE LIFE* ...after all that, the things you've fucking said to me the things you've done, the things you've said about me, the LIES you perpetrate that I am for the most part too much of a man to directly attack... Goddammit, you are one of five people on this planet that I would really like to smack around, and delta...you're the other one.  The only other 3 are Persa's dad, brother, and my father...all for similiar reasons.

I HATE people like you Kry! Why?! BECAUSE YOU ARE JUST LIKE THE FUCKING DONOR OF MY Y CHROMOSOME!!!  And every one treats you the same too!  You can do no wrong! You are the model citizen.

A dog will wimper when caught.  A snake will stare straight back and then strike whenever the opportunity presents itself, generally making itself likable beforehand.  All I can say is that you are a really mean person when there is nothing for you to lose.  

And like my father, like Persa's dad, you can maintain that "perfect citizen" composure, that flawless saint facade, and EVERY ONE believes you because every one instinctively wants to believe their leader is a Man before a Snake.

hopefully this will help people see how naked the emperor truly is.
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Re: RC6 Release!
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2004, 11:19:26 AM »

one other thing.,..

IF you were such a great saint, you would like nothing more than to take me up on my offer...the same one i've made public numerous times over the last year since aMule has existed...

Peace Attempt #13

If you are man enough to accept...simply take a vacation from aMule for one week.  Let me work with the development team for one week.  It will take me roughly 3 days probably to get up-to-date on what aMule has accomplished, how it has significantly changed from xMule, and what its goals are.  The next 4 days I can spend coding.

I do not need CVS write access...aLL i want to do is see how aMule's team is structured so that I can learn from it, and at the same time prove once and for all to all the people who have never worked with me (no one but you and madcat have on the entire amule team) that I am not a 'dictator' (in fact, i'm too much of a pushover) and am not some closed-sourced fool.

Basically I just want to prove that YOU, delta, and madcat are personally the reasons this war exists and then, once more diplomatic ties have been estabilished by this little exercise, we can forge ahead in joint cooperation because more than just one person on your team will realize they can have dialog with me without getting you involved.

Basically at this point it isn't so much about working *with* you but working with *others* *despite* of you.  It will take *much* strength from both of us...both of us will have to overlook how we are benefiting the other, in order to accomplish the greater goods of harmonious co-development of a single product.

I must face that i am directly promoting your ego while simultaneously denying mine (which is already incredibly low).  that I must take, albiet in as indirect as possible, your edicts to heart regarding the direction of amule.  that i must necessarily correct your mistakes and be absolutely submissive to things that I would normally call stupid, all because i'm humble enough to admit i'm imperfect.

You would have to face the very scary prospect of others seeing through your lies, of possibly learning you haven't mastered C++ (tho Xaignar and phoenix and all the patchers probably demonstrate this enough), the end of the war and thus the loss of your largest propaganda tool, and what will undoubtedly be the hardest for you:  The prospect that I would actually become happy helping out aMule and that aMule is actually progressing with *me* on the team.

Of course now i've almost fully guaranteed you'd accept this invitation ,and by printing this sentence, given you an easy out :-)

Enjoy the freedom,
-hope

PS Due to how easily a unicameral democratic system can be overtaken (Germany went from Democracy to dictatorship in 33 days, the bicameral united states will take at least 5 years to do so), this shouldn't (like my past peace offerings) be put up for the mob to vote on.  This needs to be an executive decision by the head of the team...if that position *truly* isn't formalized as i have been told through Kry propaganda, then base this on # of lines coded based upon the cvs annotate function.

PPS As I have discussed with Xaignar, I would like nothing more than for this to become so permanent that I can permanently give up developing xMule, despite how this would sadden the core users/testers there who have been there so long, but that's a sacrifice i think we have to take for the good fo the world.

there are bigger issues than my or kry's egos.  i hope you can see that.  this is why i seek peace...not for the ease of giving in, but for the sake of the future.

I'm still waiting for a peace from Kry...13 from me, 0 from him, he's always the one that blocks the peace too, generally referencing the same mob that took away bigbob's rightful seat and gave it to him.

If you want to know why there is no peace, ask him...ask yourself since you're part of the mob. 12 months since kry joined amule.  13th peace attempt.  hmm...

Is it any wonder who started the war? if not, search xmule's forums...many of kry's flames were deleted (in retrospect this is a bad policy) due to their viciousness, but he still has a good 50 or so flames on there.  Compare this to the # of my posts on here and realize that 2 of those were peace attempts.

goddman...sorry i'm so anti-kry again.  this is why he has to go on vacation during the critical settling in period (1 week)!  Until i can work out lines of communication that don't directly involve him, there's no chance of me being able to help out amule :-/  If I still can't cut it w/ him active after htat, then i'll admit my humanity and try to come up with yet another peace plan that is more suitable than this.
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Re: RC6 Release!
« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2004, 11:33:28 AM »

one final thing.

this entire amule-xmule battle is NOT one of propriety vs 'opensource'.

madcat claims i never opened xmule '2', but a simple comparison of Madcat's "xmule v2" project's creation date (8-5-2003 http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/xmule2/) and the dates of the publication of my xmule 2.0's source via cvs (6-20-2003 http://xmule.versionhost.com/viewcvs.cgi/xmule-gui/IRCWindow.cpp) will show through that lie once and for all.  I published it exactly as I coded it.  They just didn't like how i DID NOT COMMIT BUGGY CODE LIKE THEY DID!!

anyway.  i could debunk these lies over and over and over again, but i'm always too busy coding to interfere much with you guys (right now i can't sleep and it's 4:33 AM, so i have plenty of time).

It's time to WAKE UP and realize that you are being lied to.  In a sane world, you would seek to know how you were lied to...would want to see the evidence, would want to hold the leaders who lied to you accountable...especially when you realize someone has been hurt deeply by these lies.

But this isn't a sane world.  It's the whacked world of teh GPL.  Where people shout FREEDOM FREEDOM when in reality they are referring to the doctrine that says "Your time when you are coding is worth absolutely 0...we make sure of that"  "You are free to do any thing with a piece of code that is GPLd because NO ONE owns it ... not even its author...and they can do NOTHING to prevent its abuse."  "You are not free to defend your work from people who would use it without giving you credit and then personally and viciously attacking you in public as their chief way of getting initial users."  "You must hope that people play fair."  "When they don't, you are fucked....Because under the GPL, it is easier to fork your code than even try to cooperate...easier to bash than to talk with...easier to turn others against than to offer support.  Easier to hate than to love."
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Re: RC6 Release!
« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2004, 11:47:23 AM »

aMule was forked a long time ago, I dont think that xmule code and amule code have a lot of code in commen anymore.
so for gods sake stfu saying amule stole your "good" code.... Kry, Xaignar, Phoenix and a lot of other people rewrote Network, Gui and everything to make aMule a lot better then xMule....

look at our Client and look at yours....this is like comparing a Ford with a Mercedes Benz.

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I saw your unicode commits, I could have done better and I dont hav a lot of clue from coding...so stfu again...blaiming Madcat and Kry

and some other post on your Homepage were the same, when you stated that you went back from CVS to some version 2 weeks ago. becuase you realiesed the 2 weeks work on CVS got worse then it used to be....

just go and leave us alone
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Re: RC6 Release!
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2004, 11:59:45 AM »

first off...nothing in any of the above posts was about you, so no need to get hostile.

secondly, let's try to work together for once instead for the benefit of amule.

third, the statement of mine you took out of context was stated in the frame of mind that is intimately familiar with the events and code that was produced around the time of xMule 2.0.  If you believe that Kry and Madcat issued forth beautiful, bug-free code back then...then by *all* means use xMule 1.5.1 - 1.5.5 and then have a talk with the non-biased malware about how well they broke xmule while i was on vacation, while they simultaneously and jointly plotted behind my back to take over xmule.

fourth, let's try to mix all of our discussions with positive messages as well... so that we can each grasp on to rungs of hope instead of get hit by thorns of hate.
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Re: RC6 Release!
« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2004, 12:01:18 PM »

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Look at DynPrefs of xmule...It's EXACTLY what I want the future of xMule to be:
a) Incapable of being used by viral freedom-restricting licenses such as the GPL (which is really the only one)
b) 100% open source
c) 100% free to use in *any* way so long as permission is gained before modification, so as to guarantee working together
d) ability to use in commercial settings, for this is the *ONLY* way Peer-2-Peer will *ever* become MAINSTREAM in a legal way.

Ok, u dont like the GPL, and we love it.  aMule is developped by people who love GPL. So the answer is clear: WE DONT NEED U :)

The difference between us and u is very simple: we think we can be easyly replaced by other contributers. aMule has its own life, and dont depend on Kry, Xaignar, or every body. Thats the power of GPL: source code lives by itself. Anybody can use it, fork it, but cannot kill it.

Thats why WE DON'T NEED U, because we dont need a special name on a changelog, even Pamella Anderson. But u can post patches, and if there are ok, they will be incorporated, and u will have ur name in changelog.

There is no possible negociation on:"i will join IF blabla". U want to join, post patches, u dont want, or want under conditions, we dont need u, have ur own life.

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Re: RC6 Release!
« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2004, 12:07:37 PM »

fine...out of common human decency, I *beg* you to let me work with you and not against you!!

I hate this fucking war!  I DID NOT START THIS FUCKING WAR! I WANT THIS FUCKING WAR TO END!! I DONT WANT TO GIVE UP!  I DONT WANT ALL MY WORK TO BE WASTED! I JUST WANT TO HELP OUT AMULE AND BE IN PEACE!!

THIS ISNT A MATTER OF WHAT IS BEST FOR YOU OR FOR ME THIS IS A MATTER OF WHAT IS BEST FOR EVERY ONE!!

WE GAIN *NOTHING* BEING APART BUT toGETHER WE CAN GAIN SO MUCH!!

Just the negative responses received thus far by people i have *NEVER* dealt badly with ... whom i've always approached with respect....it makes me feel that amule is a team of hate.  Thank GOD For glorious human beings like xaignar!  He is a shining ray amid a bunch of haters!!

I guess i was just hoping there was more than one in such a crowd...i still haven't given up on this!  A LOT of dirt has been said about me.  FEW of you KNOW me.  None of the two posts KNOW me...

Let's let love be our guide and just give each other the benefit of the doubt and try to do what is agapic!  Love each other as we would love ourselves.  Do what is best for the other!

Look...I *want* to help you guys!  I *want* to atone for all the bad shit *i've* personally done!  I *want* to admit that I am a fallible human.  I *WANT* you guys to become my friends!!

Please!! Out of just pure compassionate humanism look past all this *TOTALLY* *SUPERFICIAL* AND *TRIVIAL* bullshit and just open up one kind soul to another!!

PLEASE~!

If you can't, then *PLEASE FOR THE SAKE OF US ALL* do not reply to this thread with your hatespeak.  Let's be more mature and loving than that.
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Re: RC6 Release!
« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2004, 12:24:53 PM »

Hey

I was not trying to be more hostily then you were in my post...just trying to defend my friends Kry and Madcat...
thing is I really would not have a problem with you being part of our development team, its just taht many people think that after all this hate and war there needs to be a transition period where
1st you "prove" that you can be nice for longer then just a couple minutes
2nd Kry and you should seriously need to talk to each other...since he does not like you and you oviously dont like him, which we can see 4-5 posts before
3rd show us that you can be a good help for us, aMule atm does not need you. but if you work good you will be respected like any other. by your work! not by the things you say just like Xaignar Kry and any other is on the team.


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Re: RC6 Release!
« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2004, 12:37:25 PM »

and i'm saying that i''m too much of a human to be able to do that.

i'm saying that i've tried the bug report route...they *all* turn in to flames and kry and delta and others inevitably personally insulting me saying that i need to see a doctor and that i'm stupid and to leave them alone.

I *want* to do the patch route but every fucking time i ask what can be done i am told "we don't need you".

I figured i could just socialize with you guys...the guys i've never possibly hurt (have i *ever* hurt kry even?  no) and who have never hurt me....and learn from just talking to you what needs to be done.

also, since i am obviously going out of my way to make peace, it is the least you can do.  and...i'm not asking for CVS WRITE Access any more...i made this clear above when i said
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.  Undoubtedly all my work for ever will remain patches.

I can't repeat CANNOT submit inhuman patches for this is so much more than just code, this is interacting with human beings...making friends, helping out, teaching, learning, the whole shebang!

To submit patches, thus, is like mindless sex, mindless butt-fucking, and that goes against the entire core of my being...i'm sorry.  


If you're not willing to reach out with your pinkies and link with my thoroughly outstretched hands as i  jump into the void without a single hint of acceptance from you beforehand...and a lot of previous hate...then, well...I will not prostitute myself for your benefit in the least.

This is about mending fences by learning how to help and then helping.  I just don't see how we can mend fences via a leach relationship where I detachedly submit patches for problems i don't even know about that are quite possibly being fixed already by somebody else (REMEMBER ! I DO NOT HAVE *READ* ACCESS TO AMULE CVS EVEN!! ... that's freedom for you if i've ever seen it) and the last release is many months old.

i honestly don't know why it is so hard to accept such a genuine and earnest offer/beg...just don't let hate rule your lives like it obviously must be or something.
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Re: RC6 Release!
« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2004, 12:39:57 PM »

just to get this out in the open...

any and ALL work that i give to this project i will uncondintionally pass the copyright over to xaignar...therefore you will NEVER have to worry about me EVER owning ANY THING unless the bulk of you guys vote for that 'right' in the future.

just another way to prove i mean business.
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